Posted by Charles on February 19, 2001 at 11:58:19:
In Reply to: Think I've Got It Now . . . posted by Dan on February 16, 2001 at 23:39:48:
I think you understand the problem. The difficulty is getting the stamp that in essence is permission from Ukraine for its citizens to live abroad. In my case my wife obtained her visa in Warsaw and left for the U.S. from Warsaw, so she did not have to encounter the Ukrainian authorities upon her leaving. Having read of recent problems with this - people being detained, huge fines (bribes) etc., I looked into this. You can obtain the required stamp from the local OVIR prior to leaving Ukraine, but this will take time - there is no "same day walk-in service" on this - and depending on your travel schedules, could be impossible. Alternatively, there are forms that are available from the Ukrainian Embassy that address this problem. You must write for these forms just like you do the visa forms. If you are trying to get these for a wife/fiance who has not yet come to the U.S., use your wife's name (they won't send them to you) and tell them that she is a Ukrainian citizen who would like to visit but does not have the stamp and they will send the forms to you at your address. The forms are not in English, but it basically involves getting a bunch of documents together and presenting them at the Embassy and they will get the stamp for you to allow you to leave Ukraine if you are a permanent resident of the U.S. but still a Ukrainian citizen. I am handling this now to avoid this problem when my wife visits Ukraine this summer.
: >>You were born in the Ukraine. You left to permanently live in the United States last year and now you want to go back to the Ukraine to visit your friends. You have your valid Ukrainian passport and a Green Card. To return to the United States you only need a green card, you do not need any US visas. So when you want to come back to the United States you will not have any visas in you passport. You will only have a green card which means that you are a permanent resident in the United States and it gives you admission to the United States. You don't need a visa. Ukrainian customs officials do not recognize the Green card, they only recognize your Ukrainian passport. If your Ukrainian passport doesn't have a stamp in it that says that you are permanently residing in the US, they are not going to let you out.<<
: OK - so on the trip *into* Ukraine, the person shows the Ukraine passport. Is there anything in that passport that shows their permanent resident status in America (i.e the Green Card)??
: Ahhh - I see the problem. On the way out of Ukraine they would have to show some sort of proof they are legal to re-enter America - a visa in their passport - or . . . they would show the green card - yes? At that point, the Ukraine Passport Control agent would challenge them about why they had not officially registered (assuming they had not) in their new country. This could lead to possible detention or some payment to depart (I imagine).
: Re: "Exit Visa"
: >>No, it's a simple black stamp with a signature that is in your Ukrainian passport that says that you are permanently residing in the United States. It is put there by the Ukrainian officials. It has nothing to do with the US officials.<<
: Got it.
: >>I couldn't find Natasha's post you are referring to and i can't imagine why I wouldn't want to do this.<<
: Here is the link to her post => http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/7664.html. Essentially, it suggests that Ukrainians are worried about the possibility of losing any property they own in Ukraine if they register their residence outside of Ukraine.
: Thanks Steve. I hope it hasn't been too painful educating me --smile--.
: - Dan
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