Re: Accommodation Odessa/Crimea

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Posted by J.l. on February 04, 2002 at 23:54:54:

In Reply to: Accommodation Odessa/Crimea posted by Kevin Lloyd on January 24, 2002 at 09:13:42:

anyone want to see Jack posting under his alais Ralph on the Brama board , look here,
http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/5143.html

http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/5156.html

http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/5079.html

http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/5026.html

http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/5046.html

http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/5196.html

Or how about Jack posting as Fred Walter on the RWG board , here are just a few


By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 10:19 am:
Russiandude,

You might want to consider writing Jack Bragg at Firstdream. I rented a flat from his company a few months ago and it was on the main street, the one that starts with a "K", it's hard for me to pronounce or even write but it is the very center of the city. I paid $40 a day and thought it was a great deal.

A few other guys rented there flats from him also and one of the guys said he had a jucuzzi in his flat and his flat was behind the area with the large fountain.

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:44 am:

Hello Corey,
It seems everyone wants to give you a little piece of advice and their own recommendation so I thought I might also.
I would advise you to be leery of the larger agencies. My first trip was with such an agency and it was not very productive at all, most the ladies were so called social scammers and some agencies have the same ladies meeting men after men after men.
I would recommend that you consider the hand full of smaller, better known agencies out there. I was most impressed with the company First Dream that I used on a trip last month. There were about a dozen guys on this trip and I understand that all there group trips are this size for the sole purpose of being able to give all the guys the individual care they need, such as I got. Corey there were two young guys on this trip I went on, one guy was about 25 and the other was 27. If you have one half of the amount of success that these two guys appeared to have you will be quite happy I am sure.
I will be making another trip in the Spring. I met a few fine ladies, one or two I think could be my future wife as I am corresponding with these ladies often as I get to know more about them and there lives.

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 05:26 pm:

Scott,

I got the flat thru the Firstdream agency,I dealt with Jack. His number is (removed)

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 09:37 am:

Hello Dave, the fastfox,

This is Fred, when will you be in Odessa? Are you going to Kiev? When you are in Odessa will you have a way for someone to reach you?

I talked with Jack over the weekend and he said he thought you were going to the Firstdream social. If so I hope you will take several photos and give me a report when you get back.

Ok, I am packing my bags now, trying to get out of here.

Fred

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 04:48 pm:

I don't know this Mark who has a girlfriend named Ira. Is he an American guy? Does he post on this board?
What's the deal with Mark, has he started the fiancee visa process?
I have heard that Chernovtsy, like Lugansk, is a city that one has to be very careful in. There are supposed to be a couple of major scam agencies there. Hope Mark is being careful.

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 04:09 pm:

Thanks Ben,

I will have to save what you just wrote and go over everything slowly when I have a little more time, but I do really appreciate the effort.

I just returned a few weeks ago from a most unforgettable two weeks in Odessa and Kiev. I went with a company that offers smaller, more personalized group tours. There were 10 of us in Odessa and 12 in Kiev. I have never met so many beautiful, sincere ladies in all my life. I think about half the guys found a wonderful woman that they are in the process of getting a visa for. I came away with really good feelings for three ladies I met and am writing and corresponding with. I will see how things go

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Monday, June 18, 2001 - 04:51 pm:


Hello Apex,

As I indicated in my last post regarding my first social, after thinking about the events of the second lady and the third lady, I would be repeating myself.

What good was it going to do to tell that when I met the second lady it was much the same thing, a young beautiful woman who was so interested in me, the 23 years difference meant nothing. {and I am trying to convience myself she is right and this relationship could work} The evening ended with this lady NOT going to my hotel room. Then the third day of the social Apex again I find myself with another fine young woman with only 21 years difference in our age.

This lady I ended up spending the next several days with, well until I came home. I made several, several mistakes. I did not meet several ladies and when the socials were over, I had this one lady and it was either her, a for sure thing, or just pal around with the other 5 or 6 guys who didn't have ladies. I elected to spend time with her.

Apex, one side of my brain was telling me these ladies weren't real and the other side of my brain was telling me that, well, maybe she is real. Maybe I am lucky and I found a wonderful woman who is really crazy about me.

The truth of the matter is there were many, many social scammers. There were many young, slender, sexy women, just beautiful women, and they were all interested in us. Then you had many beautiful ladies whom were from about 28 to 34 who were not dressed quite as sensual, whose dresses were not as short, these ladies were a little more reserved, but STUPID Fred and most the other guys ignored these ladies for the young, tight, shaplely foxes.

Everytime I look back on the events I can just kick myself in the ass.

The experience was at least a good teacher. I promise it will not happen again.

So Apex, I really saw little sense in completeing the story. Many of the experienced guys around here knew exactly what I was doing, as they had seen, or been involved with the same situation.

I really hope that my report on my fall social will be more interesting. I have started developing a game plan and am so excited I can hardly wait. Three months, thirteen days, 21 hours, 33 minutes to go, but whose counting!


: I would like to plan a family holiday to Odessa and the Crimea around May.

: 1. Am I mad?
: 2. Can anyone help with accommodation?




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