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Posted by R.J.'s Tours Ltd on June 24, 2001 at 11:52:43:

In Reply to: Re: Are Visa's Next? My opinion. posted by Olaf Gerken/Germany on June 24, 2001 at 02:26:43:

If nothing else... this began a good discussion.

Robert J. Tomkins
R.J.'s Tours Ltd
www.tourukraine.com

: First sorry for my bad english.
: I agree with your opinion, but we will never get the chance to travel the Ukraine without a Visa. I live in Germany, a country at the eastern border of the European Union. In the year 2004 the EU will get new memberstates. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland have the agreement from the EU-Government in Belgium. After this the whole situation in the EU will be changed. The are no more countries in the east of the EU who can be a memberstate. President Kutschma was been in Bruxels for a meeting with the EU-Gov to speak about the EU-Opportunities of the Ukraine. The EU only sait to him (you can also read this information und www.botschaft-ukraine.de), that the Ukraine is still to much invoved with the big brother russia. The EU prefere to have a buffer between the EU and Russia. In a meeting of all ministers of foreighn affairs (EU) they sait, that Ukraine must close the borders to Poland, and on the other site Poland MUST close the border to the Ukraine. My persoal opinion is, that we will get the same situation like 12 years ago. There will be a wall between the cultures. I am not happy about these decitions, but our minister of foreighn affairs is only a puppet of the EU, not more. He is not able to change anything. After opening the border to Poland there will be a difficult situation in Germany. Many polish people are using the situation to come for working to germany. I can understand this, but the main german people don´t like theyr moving to Germany.
: So, in these history,...why should Kutscha say, that the travel to the Ukraine is Visa free? There are no reasons for doing it. He is in a difficult situation. The visa for foreighn citizen brings a little cash to the Ukraine, we should allow Kutschma to get these money.
: I don´t know about the Visa procedere in the US and other countries, but in Germany it´s very easy to get a visa. I was been in Bonn (old capital) to get a visa 11 days ago, to get a visa for one year with mutiple entry. Only show the invitation, my passport, one photo and paying 190$ and thats all. I got it without any questions. I will go to the Ukraine for one year after the 1st of August for founding a trading company. When there are any questions about the invitation and about contacts in the Ukraine, I will be glad to help you. I will post a telphone number to this board after my arrival.

: : I agree that it would be a "good" move, however, I suspect this is highly unlikely because within the diplomatic circles, "reciprocity" is EVERYTHING.
: : I do not foresee the USA and Canada allowing non-visa travel from Ukraine any time soon.
: : And, if the US and Canada will not allow the visa-free travel for Ukraine citizens, I would be extremely surprised if Ukraine were to allow visa-free travel for citizens of these countries.
: : Might be time to start writing our respective Governments requesting such action - a ton (tonne?) of letters can do wonders.

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: If nothing else... this began a good discussion. : Robert J. Tomkins : R.J.'s Tours Ltd : www.tourukraine.com : : First sorry for my bad english. : : I agree with your opinion, but we will never get the chance to travel the Ukraine without a Visa. I live in Germany, a country at the eastern border of the European Union. In the year 2004 the EU will get new memberstates. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland have the agreement from the EU-Government in Belgium. After this the whole situation in the EU will be changed. The are no more countries in the east of the EU who can be a memberstate. President Kutschma was been in Bruxels for a meeting with the EU-Gov to speak about the EU-Opportunities of the Ukraine. The EU only sait to him (you can also read this information und www.botschaft-ukraine.de), that the Ukraine is still to much invoved with the big brother russia. The EU prefere to have a buffer between the EU and Russia. In a meeting of all ministers of foreighn affairs (EU) they sait, that Ukraine must close the borders to Poland, and on the other site Poland MUST close the border to the Ukraine. My persoal opinion is, that we will get the same situation like 12 years ago. There will be a wall between the cultures. I am not happy about these decitions, but our minister of foreighn affairs is only a puppet of the EU, not more. He is not able to change anything. After opening the border to Poland there will be a difficult situation in Germany. Many polish people are using the situation to come for working to germany. I can understand this, but the main german people don´t like theyr moving to Germany. : : So, in these history,...why should Kutscha say, that the travel to the Ukraine is Visa free? There are no reasons for doing it. He is in a difficult situation. The visa for foreighn citizen brings a little cash to the Ukraine, we should allow Kutschma to get these money. : : I don´t know about the Visa procedere in the US and other countries, but in Germany it´s very easy to get a visa. I was been in Bonn (old capital) to get a visa 11 days ago, to get a visa for one year with mutiple entry. Only show the invitation, my passport, one photo and paying 190$ and thats all. I got it without any questions. I will go to the Ukraine for one year after the 1st of August for founding a trading company. When there are any questions about the invitation and about contacts in the Ukraine, I will be glad to help you. I will post a telphone number to this board after my arrival. : : : : I agree that it would be a "good" move, however, I suspect this is highly unlikely because within the diplomatic circles, "reciprocity" is EVERYTHING. : : : I do not foresee the USA and Canada allowing non-visa travel from Ukraine any time soon. : : : And, if the US and Canada will not allow the visa-free travel for Ukraine citizens, I would be extremely surprised if Ukraine were to allow visa-free travel for citizens of these countries. : : : Might be time to start writing our respective Governments requesting such action - a ton (tonne?) of letters can do wonders.

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