Re: Carpatho-Ukr. Declared Independence In 1939

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Posted by Romanukranmagyar on March 21, 2001 at 22:04:51:

In Reply to: Re: Carpatho-Ukr. Declared Independence In 1939 posted by Kacap on March 21, 2001 at 16:57:00:

: To the obsessed by maniac thoughts ....
:::Particularly to the Ukrainian nationalists who discovered that Ukraine existed in the second century.

: : : Any country has a list of their citizens.
: : :: Yes, but not targeted to a particular ethnic group.

: You might be stupid. Try to get US census
: results. So you claim that USA census has no lists of the particular ethnic groups ?
:::The USA census does not select out a particular ethnic group with detailed description of names, addresses, owned properties etc. This was done in Slovakia, Voloshin's country (Subcarpathia) and many other countries under Hitler's and Stalin's control. For your oriental mind it is the same as the USA census and therefore you are super idiot because this totalitarian barbarism you consider normal.

: : In Subcarpathia, the Voloshin's government was short-lived, the policy was formulated but not implemented.

: There was no such country "Subcarpatia",
::: Learn to spell it correctly! And if you wish to be precise Voloshin changed the name of Subcarpathian Rus into Carpatho-Ukraine in November 2, 1938. However, Uzhorod, Mukachevo, Berehovo, Tiachevo, Bychkiv, Solotvino were not included in this Carpatho-Ukraine. Thus, half of population of Subcarpathia was never a part of Carpatho-Ukraine.
: But Zakarpats'ka Ukraina.
::: The name was officially introduced by oriental nomads from Moscow and Kiyev in June 29, 1945 by signing an agreement between USSR and Czechoslovakia. However, the term, "Zakarpatskaja Ukrajina” was introduced and not Zakarpats'ka Ukraina. Zdenek Firlinger and Vladimir Klementis who signed the agreement that was forced upon Czechoslovakia by oriental nomads led by Stalin represented Czechoslovakia.
This agreement, a product of Soviet Imperialism was never ratified by Czechoslovak Parliament. As of to day it is not legal therefore the name Zakapats'ka oblast' is a farce.


:::Second point that
: your allegations are LIE. History accepts only FACTS.
::: Your facts, the Bolshevik facts of oriental imperialists from Moscow and Kiyev!
: : : This is not a crime.
: : ::Crime was that those individuals who were for the democratic-liberal Czechoslovakia and opposed Voloshin and his government were just sent to the concentration camp Dumen-Rakhovo.

: It's i big lie of stukach.
::: For Oriental Bolsheviks everything is lie because they have a patent for facts. Only problem is that there are big discrepancies between the Bolshevik facts and reality. Outcome: Ukraine has to bay grain to avoid a new Holodomor.

: : One should compete with opponents at a ballot box and should not jail them because they are political rivals of different political orientation.

: You suggest that Hortists did better by exterminating all Ukrainians physically ?
: Galitsian mercenaries were not Rusyns. Those guys were Ukranian chauvinistic nationalists who were ready to kill anybody in the name of Ukraine.
Briefly, Nazis were killing Nazis.

: : In the First Czechoslovak Republic of T.G. Masaryk these principles were very clear, well known and implemented in practice. And it worked very effectively. Ukrainians, you have been learning it very painfully in the last 10 years. And there is still a long way to go. Let's hope that in 2050 you'll be there where was Czechoslovakia in 1930.

: One cannot compare if he is not stupid any countries as such. It's like telling that Jews in israel have to go a long way to tolerate minorities, like it is done
: for example in Sweden. Jews in Israel 2100
: will not be even close to the Sweden in 1850.
::: What you wrote is pretty confusing. But in your oriental idiotic thinking, of course, you cannot compare it. That's why majete shto majete. We are talking about the rule of law that was working in Subcarpathian Rus. However, during Voloshin's government it significantly deteriorated thanks also to the Ukrainian mercenaries from Galitsia and during Soviet times it ended with communistic barbarism that is still ongoing in Ukraine.

: : : : Hungarian annexation of Subcarpathia interrupted this process of organized extermination of Jewish population and that's why not Rusyns, but Hungarians are responsible for the Holocaust in Subcarpathia that occurred in 1944.

: I can't comment what would have been happened if
: Japanese will win WW2 from USA.
:: Yes, this is hypothetical but it is very unlikely that Voloshin would behave differently than Tiso. After all, both guys were priests and this fact in itself is very fishy. Priests should deal with spiritual things.

: : : So the Hungarian government is responsible for the extermination, but not the Ukrainian one.
: : ::: If you have on mind Voloshin's Carpatho-Ukraine the answer is Hungarian government and not Voloshin's one because the latter lasted few months.

: Brehnia, and why'd not discuss better
: the role of the Jews in 1933 in Zakarpattia
: in covering up the information about
: Holodomor-33 ?
:::Because you are of Asiatic-Cossack origin and your mind is only on pogroms. The only way that you can exist is to initiate pogroms so that you can still and rob.

: : The hypothalamus was not stimulated in Russians of Subcarpathia to the degree as it was among Slovak nationalists, Hungarian nationalists, Germans nationalists, Ukrainian nationalists and so on.

: And sioniosts as weel, just put them at the 1-st place.
::: The Zionists in back parts of their bodies had more brain than all Ukrainians together in their heads, that's why they have to be the last. This scale is according the degree of stupidity from 10 to 0.

: : It occurred in May-June 1944 and Eichman was sitting in Budapest at that time and overseeing the whole operation.)

: Nobody is interested what happened in Hungary, this board tries to collect information about
: crimes of the humanity against ukrainians,
: about Holodomor-33 and the role of the
: Kahanovich and his banda for example.
:::The original topic was Voloshin, Subcarpathian Rus and Holocaust. In conclusion: Rusyns of Subcarpathia were not involved either in Holocaust or in Holodomor. In contrast, Ukrainians participated actively and passively in both these tragic events.




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