Re: Language Debate to Ihor Solovey-Yanko-Yanko SKOLYAR

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: : :RE: To YANKO SKOLYAR : In Reply to: Re: Language Debate to Ihor Solovey-Yanko posted by Joe on March 31, 2000 at 14:48:18: : >>It is very good that democracy advanced so much in Ukraine that students are not obligated to welcome the President of Ukraine. It is better to study in a school and not to stand along the road with flags for hours. : If this is supposed to be a joke, your humor sounds rather dumb to me. : :::What about your joke? “I bov shkolyarom…etc.” Isn’t your story dumb presenting yourself as “a high school student when the referendum took place in Transcarpathia? : >>Ukraine should do something about Ukrainians in Czech and Slovak Republics who are involved in drugs, alcohol and crime. : Ukraine should do a lot of other things, too. Hardly anyone needs your advice on this point. : :::Did I advice anything specific? I’m just concerned about the people of Transcarpathia, because introducing visa requirements to Slovak and Czech Republics means less opportunities to earn some living for these starved people. The new visa policy starts June 28, 2000 : >>Who is evil, Russia? You never heard about it that 78% of adult citizens voted for autonomy. : Yes, that was exactly my statement. : This is a crime against democracy and a number of politicians of your country should be in jail for this. : :::The way of your response that you and others are using by picking up pieces of sentences and pasting them together are intended to obscure the facts. I am pasting the whole paragraph that one can compare to your response. : “>>This "Dakij papir" ('some piece of paper)was generated the same way, under the same conditions and in the same time as was generated the "Dakij papir" expressing the will of Ukrainian citizens for independence from Russia. Russia respected and granted the will of Ukrainian citizens. However, Ukraine pulled the fast one in expense of well being of its loyal citizens. Who is evil, Russia? You never heard about it that 78% of adult citizens voted for autonomy. : You gave a very useful information about the degree of criminality in Ukraine. Thank you! You should ask the politicians in Ukraine, how they manipulated this referendum that citizens of Ukraine do not know about it. This is a crime against democracy and a number of politicians of your country should be in jail for this. If you take away the right of citizens to vote, what's left? A new Bat'ushka! Slava Ukraini!!!” : Care to put them in jail? : :::Why the caring Ukrainians on this board do not care? Aren’t the one million of Transcarpathians citizens of Ukraine? They are loyal citizens of this country. Do you need to generate enemies as the Bolshevik did it? : Ukraine is weak and needs loyalty of its citizens. The loyalty of Rusyns to Ukraine would only increase by granting the authonomy. : >>Slava Ukraini!!! : Heroiam slava!And to Your Language!!! : : Regarding ECMI in Flenssburg (Germany), OBSCE in Haag (Holland), you as well as other Ukrainian citizens have to learn about these European institutions : I don't think I HAVE TO learn about them. Last time I read the Ukrainian constitution, nothing like that was mentioned there. : >>>I am glad that European institutions are not dependent from the Ukrainian constitution. However, Ukraine wants to EU and not vice versa. : : Would you be so kind to expand on "sumnivajusj ze mnoho zakarpatcju pudozrjuvut pro tuto" what do you mean? : This means that nobody knows, and those who do apparently do not care. : ::::Some Rusyns do care, otherwise the particular document would not be available from ECMI. : >> Fr. Duchnovych was "Panslav" : Which is nothing but another word for "moskvofil". : ::: For Ukrainian nationalists. The former soviet characterization of Mr.Bendera is far more valid than your of Fr.Duchnovych. : >>Rusyns have had a very tough life and one of the reasons is that there were always some individuals willing to spit at him. : I don't spit at him. : :::Thank you. : In no way does he represent me, either. : :::I have no problems with that because you are not equal to 700 000 Rusyns in Transcarpathia. : Why should Taras Schevchenko, Ivan Franko or Mr.Bendera represent Rusyns who are located West from Carpathian Mountaines? Taras Schevchenko cannot rewrite his poem “Reve ta Stohne Dnipr Shyrokyj” into “Reve ta Stohne Dunaj Shyrokyj” and one can go on and on with other examples that do not fit historically and culturally to these people. : >>See your original statement. You are trying to put your words in my mouth. You stated that you have a theory about "prekid'kyv" not me. : Well, apparently your understanding of Ukrainian is quite poor indeed. : >>I never claimed that my understanding of Ukrainian is good. Why was it necessary to play an Ukrainian high school student who can communicate only in Ukrainian or “velykobereznjanska mova”? : : What I meant, and what was well illustrated by my example, I think, is that people served in nazi concentration camps because they were scumbags and not because they were nationalists. : ::: However, the heightened nationalism (or other ideologies) provide(s) excellent opportunities to scumbags and that is my point. : >> Regarding "realnost'" I have to tell you that I was more lucky than you. My parents had a good grasp of "realnost'" already in 1945. : Don't quite understand the thought. : :::Nothing important for you. You instructed me to “comprehend realnost’”. My answer was that some good work was done my parents regarding “realnost’” so I had easier life than others from that region of Europe. : >>I wish and hope you are less offended by using my slang "what" instead of "whom", since it relates to Rusyns and not Ukrainians. : Was it another attempt at a joke? Tough luck today, Joe. : Yes, when you are playing as a “skolyar”. : >>I hope that Russians in Ukraine will not adapt the same attitude towards Ukrainian language as you did towards Rusyn one. They can use the same argument as you do. : No, they can't. There is a pretty clear notion of what the norm of the Ukrainian language is. : ::: Well, young Ukrainians in Kyiev prefer to use Russian instead of Ukranian language. The norm of the Ukrainian is irrelevant. Point is that you do not force the language and you do not implement policy that unnecessary alienate citizens. : “As for Rusyn l… It's just that this is NOT our mother tongue. “ : :::I can understand that for you the Ukrainian language from POLTAVA is closer to your Rusyn mother tongue than the Rusyn from Preshov. : >>I wish that Rusyns would be so shrewd as French and so careful and rational as Swiss : And I prefer that Rusyns stay so shrewd as Rusyns and so careful and rational as Rusyns. : >>I agree with you on your version, assuming that Ukrainian nationalists let them stay as Rusyns. I believe that their genuine capacity for a cultural tolerance is more important for this world than the whole Bat’kivscyna. Without a cultural tolerance our civilized world cannot exist without Bat’kivscyna can. : >>You know, one wise man told me that if Karl Marx would write "Kapital" in English ... “ : I don't quite get your point. I think the nonsense here is what your wise man told you. : :::Yanko, you are the standard for determination of “wise” and “non-wise”. It seems that a capacity for a refined humor and wisdom disappeared from Transcarpathia together with the Jewish culture and the imported Ukrainian one cannot substitute it. : Regards, Joe. : Post a Followup

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