Re: Language Debate to Ihor Solovey-Yanko

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: : : : Well, the latecomers are always overly nationalistic and that’s why a number of them from Galicia and Bukovina served as famous guards in Nazi Concentration Camps. : : : "The latecomers"? : : RE: Yes, Ukrainian nationalism emerged in Galicia and Bukovina later than in other parts of Ukraine. Latecomers are less tolerant to other minorities. See Hungary at the end of XIX century and its policy towards other ethnic groups or take an example of Slovakia, a latecomer, during Tiso regime. It was the first country outside Germany where Jews were persecuted. This country (Tiso and his government) fully complied with Hitler’s policy of “final solution” The militarized units, called Hlinkove gardy, were strongly nationalistic and ruthless as Gestapo, though less efficient. The “older” nation of Denmark is just on opposite end. The policy of “final solution” basically failed in Denmark. At that time the nationalistic Slovaks did not perceive the Jews as their citizens while Danish people did. Thus, in addition to handle a rifle, involvement of Ukrainian guards in Nazi Camps contained a component of nationalism as well. : Of course. They wanted to learn how to handle a rifle to eventually join UPA and fight both nazis and communists for the liberation of Ukraine. : : (see also my brief comments about the Voloshyn government in Transcarpathia 3/29/00 Joe). : : : : : Fact is that people are very good there but naive. Now, they believe in Batkivscena. Good luck! : : : And you are naive comparing every single Rusyn out there with you. : : How did you come to this conclusion? Why would I compare myself with every single Rusyn? I was rather surprised to learn that every single Rusyn is considered to be Ukrainian by Ukrainians. : Were you surprised that some (most?) Rusyns in Ukraine consider themselves Ukrainians? : : People are different, Joe. : : That I know, unfortunately, I am not so young. : : Believe it or not, they believed in Bat'kivschyna even when Bat'kivschyna wasn't there. : : Yes, I do believe that Ukrainians located mainly East from Carpathian Mountains believed in Bat’kivschyna before it emerged. On the other hand, West from Carpathian Mountains, Ukrainian nationality was ruthlessly imposed on Rusyn population by Communists (Stalin) to have the Red army “Za –Karpatamy”so that tanks can be dispatched to Budapest, Bratislava and Prague any time. : There were Ukrainians in Zakarpattya before it became a part of SU. That area or a part of it, I'm not quite sure, was even once a part of Ukraine - in the times of Halyts'ka Rus'. : : : : : live in a highly developed democratic country : : : : : Так, так. А чорні раби жили у високорозвинених демократичних Сполучених Штатах. : : : : You are at least 50 years off regarding the slavery in the USA and the emerging of democratic Czechoslovakia. : : : So? : : Well, I’ve got the question. Unlike Ukraine, the Unated States had a well-established system of checks and balances already at that time, therefore, democratic institutions could successfully overcome this most serious crises of America, the civil war, and eliminate the slavery. : : “vysokorazvynenych” It depends on area . Agriculture and industry were highly developed, however, education, science and medicine were more developed in Europe at that time. : Where is your question? : : : : Astala vista, Yanko : : : : : : Joe : : : : : Янко : : : Ihor : : : Joe : : Ihor

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