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Posted by Ukrainec' on March 08, 2001 at 11:23:45:

In Reply to: stukach=стукач=стокач=Yash=Trash posted by Bohdan A. Oryshkevich on March 08, 2001 at 03:01:01:

If so then do it in peace, and go to the not anomynous list where you can continue your re-shuffling of the historical facts and facts of life.

: You are still anonymous and you will always be because you do not have the courage to stand up for what you believe in.

Hey, go to Ukraine and then stand up, and let me know where are you standing that I can see it.
Don't teach how to live from the cousy and warm room far away from reality and Ukraine.

: If you so believe in the atrocities that were committed why do you not have the courage to stand up and state them publicly?

Because this time did not come yet, we will not
share the fate of Bojchyshyn or Gongadze or
Petliura, or Konovalec' because of your stupid remarks. Those like will be always behind hiding.
The responsibility to carry to the humanity the truth about atrocities against Ukrainians does not allows us to do that.

I have started (did YOU ?) collecting witnesses stories about atrocities commited by the Jewish
and Russian communists against ukrainians to document them. The people are scary to share those stories because of their life experiences, and you shameless are trying to make someone fell sorry about it ?

: Why because deep down inside you know that you do not believe in them and you know that they are not true. The truth is much more complex. Jews lost just as much of their past in the decades from 1920 to 1945 as the Ukrainians did.

I'm Ukrainain not a Jew and want the wold to know how many Ukrainains lost. The jews DID their job
to carry their message to the world. But the Ukrainians didn't yet. And you are always arguing that Ukrainans don't have to make their message
loud that all must and shell know who did those atrocities.

: Ukrainians died one way and Jews another. But you will see only one victim as good and the other as evil.

Stop mister "ich". The criminals have to be brought to the justice, ALL, and Jews only because they are jews shall not and will not be
excused for it. Even if they did passed away they have to tried morally, that everyboby will know what they did, who did it and why. The genocide against Armenians started to ge recognized around the worls. The same we are doing and you scream the most loud voice against it, "ich". I do not care who are you, but you are working again very hard against the true story about ukrainians and atricities against them.

The whole world urainian community is harrased by the search for those who MAY be commited atrocities against Jew, but for some reason nobody is searching for criminals Jews who DID commited atrocities.

: Life is much more complicated than anything you would ever be able to imagine in your wormish head. Freedom means taking responsibility for one's actions. Many Ukrainians have not learned the lessons of freedom.

Why you always moking Ukrainians when it is necessary and not necessary but avoiding to do the same about criminals who commited atrocities against ukrainians when they are not ukrainians ?

: Can you name two Ukrainians who saved Jews?

Can you name tho Jews who saved Ukrainians during the Holodomor.

I do have names of the relatives of my friends
who testified how the Jews DID NOT saved them
during Holodomor and even "helped" to die some of them.

: There were many but you would prefer to remember those who killed Jews.

Forget about Jews, Indians or Chinese, we are not them - so they will carry their message to the humanity about their tragedies, not you coward "ukrainian", Jews are not the only nation in the world. I'm concerned about information and true story about those who where exterminating Ukrainians.

: What Jewish organization ran the Holodomor?

What Ukrainian ogranization ran the Holocost ?

I don't know what Jewish organization where involved, the search throuth the archives will help to determine that. But the fact that many descendants of the BUND, later renamed itself as RSDRP where comminiting these crimes in 1933 is a proven historical fact. And as very well known the BUND was a Jewish organization, not a russian or georgian one.

: Jews were one rung above or below Ukrainians in their history in Eastern Europe. Why not demonize Germans the way you do Jews? Why not Poles?

Nobody is demonizing nobody, the fact is that
germans did not comitted Holodomor, nor polish.
We are looking for facts not emotions of "ichi".
The names of those who where carrying criminal orgers must be revealed with their family histories who they where, which families where
coming from, what ideological and political environment created them to the world. If those who did it where germans, jews or polish -it should known to the world and prosecuted.

: Why are people like you afraid to attack those with power? Why not also hate Mongolians? Why not Turks? Why not Tatars? Why not Jesuits? Why not Scythians? Why not Pechenegs? Why not Canadians who want to expel camp guards? Can Ukrainians only hate? Ukrainians can destroy themselves with hate.

Because almost every Ukrainian family had losses
because of the HOLODOMOR, and we are looking for
those who commited the crimes against numanity that we remember. Armenians do remember who did it to them, and you are callibg us to foget ?
Why ? Are you one of those who's ancestors where
involved ?

: Will Ukraine be a better country if they continue to hate their neighbors or will this bring even more suffering?

Punishing the crimes, even if this is only moral
judgment has to done. Without the justice even only "moral" one to the criminals Ukraine can't become a better country. Where criminals are unpunishable.

The Holodomor museums in Ukraine, Russia, USA, Canada, Israel have to remind humanity about those who commited the crimes - their crimes are not forgotten. And the names who saved Ukrainians
during HOLODOMOR shall be remebered. If the Jew or German or Polish or Russian saved Ukrainain during HOLODOMOR this shall be rememberd.

If the Jew or Russian or German or Polish was involved in commiting and executing HOLODOMOR
this shall be remembered and thier names shall be
named.

: I shell return

Why do you making every time loud announcements
every several weeks or so, just to be in the
"spotlight" like an "artist"?. Do whatever you want, but please do not make everybody scared becasue of your presence or not. You are not the only on this board, be more civilized.

: But if you make one contribution to Ukrainianizing one school, I would kiss your shoes.

I did and do not scream about it. I'm ready to put my dirty shoes in front of the Foto-Camera to make a historical photo, let's say in Kyiv. Are you really ready ?

: I did misspell stukach. But anyone who anonymously attacks others and slurs them is more than worthy of that name. I think that stukach very well fits the anonymous poster of the Internet age. You are certainly worthy of it.

Do you know what is the meaning of it ?

: I am lucky that I live in a country where I learned the spelling of that word only when I am over fifty.

It would be even better if you would be able
to learn the meaning of some words when you
16 but not 50.



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