Posted by siania on March 06, 2001 at 12:16:52:
In Reply to: Re: follow-up: *not really* suspcious... posted by Markian Hadzewycz on March 06, 2001 at 10:59:12:
Failure to understand is the failure to see both sides of the story - and every story has more than one viewpoint. You are interpreting communism as evil without granting that it had its positive points (if any), or at least realizing that people brought up under that system do not and cannot think the way that you do. That is a singularly myopic way of looking at the world and Ukraine.
The people in Ukraine were not taught about the Great Terror, they were not told about the Holod, they were not trained to think in terms of incentives. There is little reason for them to connect the system of corruption with communism - all they know is that it is there and it has become all the more pervasive and visible ever since independence. And that leave them with a sour-enough taste to want the old days back.
You can't change Ukraine by yelling them into submission. Political and diplomatic solutions must be found if yuo really want to see profound and lasting change.
Also, there is no "red" China anymore - it's just "China". using the term "red China" is like saying "the Ukraine", and I'll bet you're at the head of the line of people who object to that term.
: What you fail to understand is that these people advocate a return to the very same system and government which murdered over 10 million Ukrainians, sent millions more into exile, and very nearly destroyed Ukraine as a separate ethnic group. These people want Soviet Communism, and openly declare "we want another communist union led by MOSCOW." Never mind a communist Ukraine- these traitors demand that a foreign, hostile power control their country. What word other than "treason" explains this attitude? Russia tried for CENTURIES to exterminate Ukraine, and now these so-called "Ukrainians" want Soviet/Russian control back.
: Capitalism is of course not perfect, but it's a much better system. Please tell me how many wealthy communist countries are there, and then compare this number to the amount of wealthy democratic, capitalist countries like the US.
: Just take a good look at such "shining examples of communism" like red China, North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam....tell me where they are today.
: Markian
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