þê³-kacap culture - same as kacapian speaking


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Posted by Kacap on March 05, 2001 at 13:35:03:

In Reply to: A Dead Horse and the East Village posted by Bohdan Oryshkevich on March 05, 2001 at 12:49:19:

"culture" of the kacapian speaking from Ukraine. The marginalizing of the uki-kacap "kulture" is dissapering because there is no culture without national culture and as everybody knows there is no uki-american or uki-kacadian nation or kacapian speaking ukrainian nation with their own kulture. These "makrut" social elements will cease to exist in their 1-st generation like it was in the East Ukrainian cities. Let them dissapear in peace.

Fight kacapian phylosophy of life every place and in every person you can. Kacaps "kulture" and yanaychars of every nation is the cause of the greatest and gravest problems for the prosperity for each nation.

: First communism is dead as an ideology. There are criminals and others who have fought over the spoils left by communism but there is a difference between an idea and actions.

Literally it may be, but do not underestimate
dielktiveness of the kacapian "dzhin"
left out to mutate - this virus is very dangerous
especially in the Central Europe - take a look
as for example Moldova. One has to spend some time in such environment to undestand the danger
of the kacapian-komuunism as an ideology that was
born by the kacapian speking reprezentatives
of many yanychars of the different nationalities
who have seen all nations and not-yanychars as
their enemies and planned and executed their
extermination in order to make a "new" kacapian
speaking "new nation".

: No oligarch in Ukraine or Russia genuinely believes in communism.

All oligharhs who are kacapian speaking but not
russians are the products of the "kacpian"
policies to buid the new "nation" and they - kacapian speking ologharhs will persist in their efforts against all nations in the new countries toward the lawful national countries based on the national laws since it contradicts kacapian
mentality. (do mot mix last sentence with the nathionalistic, fascistic ot sionistic).

: There may be political parties of what I call Communist Nostalgia. But sociological studies have shown that even such groupings in Donetsk for instance are waning.

You are very mistaken, kacapian speking
new "parties" sometimes even with the
new muslim colouring like Ahmetov's
party from 95% slavic Doneck are very dangerous
for the future of Ukraine.

: The fact that the Diaspora sees communism behind every tree and evil is its problem. You can call it a form of embedded posttraumatic stress syndrome.

One can see that "diapora" rarely coming to this board because of the sharpness of the "kacapian"
questions related sometimes to them directly - so this is not an issue. Sometimes this is because
"dispora" supports even statistically more then
60-70% kacapian speaking sircles from Ukraine but not ukrainian speking circles from Ukraine.
I still do not understand why this is happening - becuase of the uki-kacapian syndrom like kacapian
syndrom of the kacpaian speking elements in ukraine or because of the lack of the education or information about current ukrainian problems.
My gues is both. Ukrainians from Ukraine see this issue as a major problem for the future of Ukraine.

: Many aspects of communism were criminal and violent. There is continuity from then to now.

There is a continuity in the deeds and consequences in everything. And kriminals-kacapian policies have to be restricted by laws.
Without this major direction, like it was done
in baltic states or other central european countries one cannot expect Ukraine to prosper soon.

: there is a fundamental difference between a totalitarian state (which is the essence of communism and its legacy) and what is occurring now. What is occurring now may be no better than what was happening then but it is different.

: If people in the Diaspora were not obsessed with communism they may have been better prepared for the reality of Ukraine as it is today. I read many books and articles in the 70s and 80s on Ukraine and could see many dramatic changes.

: It was clear in 1985 to 86 that the Soviet Union was about to undergo dramatic changes. The Diaspora deified communism or demonized it.

Partially this is true, but diaspora for some reason makes a big mistake, the real kacpizm should be demonized but not the "theoretical"
komminizm. The real kacapizm and real kacaps
cimmited the crimes but not the theoretical
"kommunists".

: It attributed to it infinite powers. It even felt that the US Government and the West were secretly communist and Russian sympathizers.

If you are blond why, check the personnel
from the state department - 50-30-10 years ago most of them or if you would argue - many of them
where ancestors of the kacapian spaking
yanychars of different nationalities. They just
switched their kacapian speaking hameleonic
skin for english speaking hameleonic skin with the sympathy to "kacapizm" as the best environment for them to survive very comfourtably
without fears to be prosecuted for the crimes they commited.

: Many in the Diaspora supported the German alternative that lost and discredited itself in World War II. Some still do. The Diaspora lived in unreality: in a frozen Lviv of 1939 where everything was allegedly perfect and promising.

: The last place one should go for information as to what is happening in Ukraine is to the Diaspora.

: The East Village is alive and well. It is booming. Studio apartments are costing about $2000 per month. New construction is everywhere. A huge luxurious apartment building is being renovated and will literally overshadow the Ukrainian American community. New restaurants and businesses are replacing the decrepit Ukrainian ones. The Ukrainian American community is not taking part in any of this not for lack of capital but because of lack of imagination or will. It is being pushed out. It is sad to see old confused Ukrainian Americans wandering about in their old neighborhood which now sports upscale Italian and Tibetan restaurants, bistros, and boutiques. The Ukrainian American community is not even taking care of its own old people. It is pathetic.

: The Ukrainian American credit unions here do not provide any comprehensive services to the Novoprybuli who come to this neighborhood looking for something. They are not even investing any substantial amounts of money into education without which the Ukrainian American community cannot survive.

: Ukraine needs a sophisticated presence in New York City which is arguably the center of the world. That is the obligation of the Diaspora here in America. To constantly rant and rave about what is happening over there (as tragic as it is) and blame it on a dead horse is irresponsible. The first step of personal and political maturity is to analyze what is around you and to improve it. All politicals is local. Or think global but act locally. Build a local base. The Ukrainian Americans who are here still think that they are an intrinsic part of Ukraine. They still refer to the local Americans as foreigners and themselves as the true Ukrainians. They have developed what I call a þê³-kacap culture. (A þê³-kacap who lives in America refers to Americans as ÷óæèíö³ to remind himself where he is.) They have embedded this even in their American born children who know nothing about Ukraine.

: If Ukrainian Americans squander (which they are doing) that presence in New York City they will leave a sad memory in Ukraine.

: Dachas in suburban New Jersey or Connecticut (decorated with token pysankas made with ostrich eggs) no matter how plush or extravagant will not do the trick. The local Ukrainian American "book store" sells ostrich eggs for making pysankas.

: Bohdan Oryshkevich
: usa.usa@attglobal.net




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