Re: To HANYA

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: : : It appears that nothing is happening with the CIS. According to a 1999/2000 summary of organizations which I obtained the other day at the UN, thus far the CIS has an agreement on a treaty *proposal* on military union, and a United Trade Zone (customs union) that was signed by only Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. In case anyone doesn't know, the CIS includes each of the former republics of the Soviet Union except for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. : : : Other than the above, there have been a number of committees set up within the framework of the CIS, such as environment and natural resources, Intergovernmental Council for Oil and Gas (we all know how well this committee has worked to benefit Ukraine ...duh ... oh yeah - Russia keeps raising energy prices, and Ukraine keeps paying them), anti-monopoly council, ecological council, Inter-state Rail Committee, radionavigation, and the like. : : : In other words, the CIS doesn't begin to approach an organization on the scale of the EU, and if Ukraine should manage to get its foot in the door in the the EU, the CIS agreement becomes even more marginalized. : : : However, I can't see Ukraine choosing to exit the CIS without having the garantee of a presence in the European Union. It must choose to ally itself either with its neighbors in the East or its neighbors in the West, and if the EU rejects Ukraine, there is no other choice than to form strong bonds with the fSU countries once again. I suspect that Ukraine is just biding its time to see how well it is received in the West. : : RE: TO HANYA -- Your and other nationalistic Ukrainians' approaches toward Rusyns are not better than the imperialistic and nationalistic approaches of some Russians toward Ukrainians. : What about Rusyns? Rusyns are part of Ukrainian nation, at least the ones in Ukraine are. They don't seem to have any separatist movement and the truth is that many true Ukrainian patriots (as you call them, in a "good" Soviet tradition, the nationalists) are Rusyns. Rusyns in Ukraine are pro-Ukrainian more than some Ukrainians are. : > As a matter of fact, you, Ukranian-Rusich, Mirko and other Ukranian chauvinists on this board have your mind so much clouded that you cannot see beyond your trident. Oh Yes, the nasty Europeans, you should let Ukraine to join the EU with all our : ^^^ : Are you Ukrainian yourself? Have you ever lived in Ukraine? If so, very strange, because according to my experience with Ukrainian Rusyns, you don't reflect ANY of their opinions... : > corrupted hetjmans of gangster's mentality so that we can effectively destroy the rest of civilized Europe. Also, the nasty Russians give us oil for free because we will keep steeling it from the pipelines. : : If you are sincere to help Ukraine start with restoring in this country the work ethic, eliminating the parasitic and inefficient bureaucracy, establishing the rule of low, independent press and judicial system so that it works. And this should work even when the President or a group of hetjmans in Verchovna Rada think differently. Aren't you horrified with facts that, in the current Ukraine, 15-year-old girls are prostitutes and gangsters are role models for teen-age boys? This developed during the years of vilna Ukraina. : Are you implying that we should go back to being Malorossia? : > Can you tell me a period in history of Ukraine that this country with best soil for agriculture at least in Europe was importing grain from Kazakhstan, : true : > Poland, : ?? where did you get that information? : >Slovakia : ???? : >and Hungary? Are you able to wake up? It easy to blame others for all what takes place in Ukraine but it does not solve enything. : What will on your opinion? : >Sincerely, Joe : : Ihor Solovey

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