Re: Your comments are incorrect

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Posted by Historian on September 19, 2005 at 17:33:33:

In Reply to: Your comments are incorrect posted by Mother Teresa's Lawyer on September 18, 2005 at 06:35:59:

Statistically, pro-rata, equal percentages of the population of jews and ukrainians participated in these events. i.e. jews helped in the pogroms and ukrainians aided in the famine.

MTM ... here is why people hate you. Right in the middle of some otherwise discourse you throw in something as outrageous as 'Jews did not participate in the destruction of anything in Ukraine.' What a dumb impossible thing to say?

Did you ever read any russian history published in the west?

: ": Many are unable to forget historical atrocities committed against Ukrainians by Russia (and Poland) that were aided by the Jewish population of Ukraine. For example many Jews were commissars in charge of starving up to 15 million Ukrainians to death during the Ukraine holocaust famine of the 1930's."

: Look get this simple fact straight, you cannot blame the ENTIRE Jewish people for what Lazar Kaganovich did, or for what members of the NKVD did some of whom (what percentage exactly is up for debate) were Jews. The NKVD had members from EVERY ethnic group in the Soviet Union, even Ukrainians, what Jews were in the NKVD were purged in the 1930's by Stalin. By your logic you would have to hold Ukrainians responsible as well, and Georgians, since Stalin originated from Georgia. Jews were heavily persecuted in the Soviet Union, if anything they and Ukrainians shared a common history of mutual repression in Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union.

: I think you have things backwards Jews did not participate in the destruction of anything in Ukraine. However Jews were victims of Pogroms, of racial laws, of genocide committed by various governments, with the aid of many willing Ukrainians.

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: Statistically, pro-rata, equal percentages of the population of jews and ukrainians participated in these events. i.e. jews helped in the pogroms and ukrainians aided in the famine. : MTM ... here is why people hate you. Right in the middle of some otherwise discourse you throw in something as outrageous as 'Jews did not participate in the destruction of anything in Ukraine.' What a dumb impossible thing to say? : Did you ever read any russian history published in the west? : : : ": Many are unable to forget historical atrocities committed against Ukrainians by Russia (and Poland) that were aided by the Jewish population of Ukraine. For example many Jews were commissars in charge of starving up to 15 million Ukrainians to death during the Ukraine holocaust famine of the 1930's." : : Look get this simple fact straight, you cannot blame the ENTIRE Jewish people for what Lazar Kaganovich did, or for what members of the NKVD did some of whom (what percentage exactly is up for debate) were Jews. The NKVD had members from EVERY ethnic group in the Soviet Union, even Ukrainians, what Jews were in the NKVD were purged in the 1930's by Stalin. By your logic you would have to hold Ukrainians responsible as well, and Georgians, since Stalin originated from Georgia. Jews were heavily persecuted in the Soviet Union, if anything they and Ukrainians shared a common history of mutual repression in Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union. : : I think you have things backwards Jews did not participate in the destruction of anything in Ukraine. However Jews were victims of Pogroms, of racial laws, of genocide committed by various governments, with the aid of many willing Ukrainians. : :

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