Re: To mr. Andrew K !!!

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: : Andrew, very strong arguements, : : You are probably right about Kaganovich and all other stuff like that. We were talking to one guy from this conference about jewish people and relations among jewish and all other nations. You can't deny that jewish are hated by many many people, especially by people who are not very educated and smart. And that's true. Like, for me it's not a problem, people respect me, and they don't care which nation I belong to. But people need something to hate. During 5 thousand years jewish have been running from everywhere because of many reasons. And now even if people don't have anything against jewsish people, they have to hate them becuase it's in their genes and in their brains as a stereotypes. It was all about jewish people. : : I do respect people who are not chosed by God, well, it's kinda stupid fraze on my opinion, because I didn't tell that jewish people were chosed by God. I mean Jewish God said I chose you, Jewish people, than Allah said: Moslems I chosed you, even some Cristian God said: Cristians I chosed you... So ...you are chosed by God, if you are religious... : : And, in conclusion - I don't care about Ukranian economy, I can't stand Ukranian people, especially in my City (I live in Nikolaev, in the south) They are so stupid, I don't think the same situation in the west of Ukraine. I can't stand their menthality. Like yesterday it was a big celebration in our city, you know what I saw yesterday, people were walking down the street, almost all of them are drunk, they were shouting rude words, then the were fighting, do you think it's funny ??? I don't think so. : : So that's my opinion, : : And I don't spit to another nation, excuse me I'm more than respect lots of Ukranian people, I like Ukranian culture, I like a lot of things about Ukranians, but one thing I just can't understand - Ukranian menthality and their social behavour... : : Interestin being in Mikolaev a city where a large number of minorities live and by perecentage one of the least Ukrainian populated cities.More than : likely many of those people were Russians, Jews.etc . : Clear to me that your remarks, rascism and hatred : are simply a byproduct of 2 things: : The Soviet system which taught you to hate Ukrainians, Ukrainian language and culuture. The Russians who do not have a culture they can call there own (By the way I am half Russian) did there best to first steal slavonic elements from Ukrainians ie. language, religion, customs and integrate with their uro-finnish cultue and voila- Russia is automatically linked with Kyiv-Rus, when in fact the 2 are not directly related . : This could only be accomplished by destroying and degrading a rich, old, beuatiful Ukrainian culture.If Ukraine is linked with Rus, that means Russia is nothing but an amalgamation of races and creeds-this would destroy any sense of shovenism and superiority. Your remarks are unfortunately a direct result of that shovenism. : 2nd factor upringing. Your racism is a byproduct of your upbringing. It is ashame that at your age you have so much hate and unbridled fury. Your parents taught you to hate- in 4-6 years you will mature and see the errors of your ways. Maturity and understanding is all it takes. : Being Jewish and living in Ukraine makes you no less Ukrainian than anyone else.Jews have been living on Ukrainian land for centuries. : Thousand fought in UPA and there was 2,000 member Jewish battalion in Lviv that fended of the Germans during WW2. For every Kaganovych there was 100 who fought for Ukraine. : The Hasidic movement and most many other Jewish customs including songs and food where developed in Ukraine. Havi Nagila the famous Jewish song is based on a Ukrainian folk song. : Your remarks about Hmelnytskyj are both ignorant and immature and based nothing on rumours and poor knowledge. Hmelnytskyj is a Ukrainain hero who fough the enemies of Ukraine. : At that time,like it or not, there were many Jews who sided with the Poles and he didn't liberate -enemy is an enemy,He didn;t stop and ask are you a Jewish landowner. He fought for his land. In war there is nothing pretty but if not for that Ukraine today doesn't exist. For that reason and that reason alone you have no right to criticize or defame a cherished figure of Ukraine's history.That he killed thousands is true but not Jews -Poles. Poles who knew they were in for battle turned around convinced everyone that Ukrainians were anti-semites(By percentage Ukraine has the lowest anti-semitism in Europe) : so as to get every Jew on their side. Some helped the Poles others knew the facts. : You as a Jew who lost many, should be the first to take pity upon Ukrainian people who lost 10 times as many people on their own land. The number of Ukrainians murdered is incredible in a 20 years period 15-20 million disapeared Holodomor, WW2 and the Holocaust, yes in the Holocaust perished many Ukrainians and many more helped save Jewish lives. Your great laureat( in my book liar and crook) Wisenthal was saved by a Ukrainian family. In turn he decided to dedicate his every waking moment to find the 1 in 100,000 ukrainians who helped the Nazis.for that 1 : there were thousands that helped save Jews. Documented fact. : Ukrainians need Jews no less than Jews need Ukrainians. One you realize this, you will come to see the error of your ways. : One last point, taking credit for Jewish : accomplishments is the equivalent of every Potestant taking cr for accomplishments around that faith or every Catholic taking credit for John F Kenedy . : Read, learn become more open to opionions and less prone to stereotypes.

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