Re: Djakuju mamko, za ukrajinske z'ytja, to Ihor

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: : : : :Pre Lemko a Ihor od Jovshka : : : Po shto, Pane, tak lubytie i hvalitie Madiaruv, bulshe jak sebe-Rusyna, ked' v nachali nasheho stolietia ne pozostalo zhadnej jednej shkolki rusynskoj na calym Pudkarpaciu, a v cerkovi vshytko pravilosia v jazyku madiarskim, a z nasheho jazyku poprostu pany kpili, bo panuv -Rusynov juzh nie bylo, a jak byl pan-Rysyn, to gorshy voroh dlia rysynov jak Madiar. : : : RE: Ja hovorjiu o typyrishnych Madiaroch. Ja nehovoriu o Madiaroch do r.1945. Alebo nerozumijete po nashomu, : : : : Ihor:Ну як з Вами розмовляє, мабуть розуміє. : : RE: Well don’t you think that you are presumptuous. : A bit. : : Let, Mr.Lemko to speak for himself. Are you his spokesman? : Joe, for the last time, I'm not anyone's spokesman, except my own self. I reply to anyone's messages when I feel neccessary. It is, after all, a public discussion, eh? : : Well, I have to accept the reality that Het’man-Kerivnyk is always Het’man-Kerivnyk irrespective of location, time or political environment. Het’man-Kerivnyk has to have more rights than others. : Are you suggesting that I have no right to reply to your messages? : : : alebo majete Bolshevicku psychologiu , chomu boch sia nechudovav. Bolsheviky hovoryly: Kto nyje z namy je proty nam! A natomto vybudovaly Gulag, Holodomor, Stalinskyj terror. Pudkarpatia bolo sojedyneno s Sovietskou Ukrainou na Stalinskym terrori. A Vy Ukrainski Nacionalisty a Ukarjinsky Bolsheviky budujete Sobornu Ukrainu na tomto terrori. : : Ну-мо, чекаю на розповідь про "український терор". : : RE: I spoke about the terror introduced by Stalin’s regime, some major parts of it are as follows: : Перейду на українську, якщо Ви не проти. : Пробачте, хіба Сталін був українцем? Чи може мільйони українців не загинули під час Голодомору. Називати сталінський терор українським все одно, що називати Третій Рейх підлими витівками світового сіонізму. : : (1) Anexation of Subcarpathia to USSR and its incorporation into Soviet Ukraine. : Ну й де ж там, пробачте, терор? : : People of this region responded to the Stalin’s injustice and terror by voting for restoration of its historical self-governing status in 1991. Kiyev’s response was “skasuvaty”, though 78% voted for self-rule in Subcarpathia. If this was not democratic vote and, therefore it is not valid, the vote for Samostijna Ukraina was not democratic either, because it occurred in the same time under the same conditions as the vote for self-rule. : 1. Я не бачив ніяких документів, підтверджуючих Ваші слова. Якщо вони існують в Інтернеті, покажіть, прошу пана. : 2. Я за те, щоб Закарпаття та Бесарабія отримали статус якщо не автономної республіки, то хоча б автономної області. : : (2) Stalin’s regime abolished Rusyn’s nationality and proclaimed that all Rusyns will be Ukrainians. The Ukrainian Bolsheviks officially declared this policy in 1924. : Які українські більшовики, пробачте? Серед радянської влади траплялися українці, але хіба не було русинів чи представників інших національностей? : : As of today (8/3/2000) this policy is still valid in Ukraine. : Ез оф тудей, я думаю, більшості русинів в Закарпатті глибоко начхати на це. : : This policy of terror, no self-rule, no Rusyn nationality was introduced by Stalin. : Все ще не бачу терору. : Я навіть Вам зі словничка довідку дам: : "TERROR - Intense, overpowering fear. See Synonyms at fear. : One that instills intense fear: a rabid dog that became the terror of the neighborhood. : The ability to instill intense fear: the terror of jackboots pounding down the street. : Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes. : Informal. An annoying or intolerable pest: that little terror of a child. " : Ну що, так легше? Отже питання все ще відкрите: до чого тут терор? : : Whether you like it or not, the fact is that current politicians of Ukraine have been keeping this Stalin’s policy alive in Samostijna Ukraina towards the Rusyns for almost ten years. Your twist of words “ukrains’kyj teror” is stupid : My twist? Excuse me, MY TWIST? Ви мабуть знову трохи перепили, адже не я а Ви назвали сталинський терор "українським". Цим Ви показали велику зневагу до усіх жертв сталінізму, серед яких величезну частку становлять українці, та й русини були, я впевнений. : > but what one can expect from a Het’man-Kerivnyk. : From you one can expect тільки дурнуваті ярлики, які Ви не припиняєте вішати на невідомо кого невідомо за якою причиною. : : : Mnoho shtastia a zato Ukraina tak procvitaje v zhobroti. Podla Vashej logiky Nemecko typyrj nyje demokratichnou derzhavou bo do 1945 roku maly fashizm a do 1989 v Vostochnyj Nimechyni sovietskoho typu socialism. : : Ihor:Отже правильно я зрозумів... Вам не хочеться, щоб русини були незалежними чи автономними, Вам просто хочеться когось побагатішого підшукати, з ким брататися. : : RE: You think that you understand too much. : One can think he understands much, but never TOO much:-)) Не дуже важко було здогадатися. : : Keep thinking in that way. : Саме так і є воно насправді? Ну, пане Джо, а я думав Ви викручуватися знову будете. Не будете? От і файно. : : We witnessed in this century that the Great Slavic Brothers “Bratavut’sia” and generate "zhobrotu". : I am, by the way, against "Slavic unity". It brings war and destruction, eventually. But Rusyns are part of Ukrainian nation, or Ukrainians are part of Rusyn nation, we are one. Most people from Zakarpattia I met felt that way. And after I heard how they felt, I don't need to know how you feel, for you don't belong there. BTW, have you ever been in Zakarpattia? : : I want that Rusyns in Subcarpathia would have a decent life. : I want all Ukrainians to have more than decent life. And that is accomplishable, but not with Kuchma as a president. Well, unfortunately he was the people's choice (opr falcificators' choice, I don't know details), so I and every other Ukrainia have to live with that. Until next elections. : : I wan the population on other site of Carpathian Mountains (Galicia) to have also a decent life because a regional development is typical for a successful economy. And Het’mans in Kiyev have no right to interfere with normal development and progress in the land of Rusyns. : "Het'mans" in Kyiv control Zakarpattia and Halychyna alike, for it's Ukraine's territory. What part of that don't you understand? : : : : Rusyn kidj zdurije a pereminyt'sia na Ukraincia rozum stratyt'. : : Ihor: Тобто на мадяра можна, на напівсловака як Ви можна, а на українця не можна? : : RE: No, Rusyns should stay as Rusyns. : А що Ви там казали, що русини в еміграції вже краще словаками будуть? Отже, чому не русинами? Не хочуть? Ну, тут Ви безсильний. : : Since Hungarians, Slovaks, Poles and Ukrainians are neighbors, they have to learn the languages of these neighbors and understand their cultures. : А декотрі ще й стають отими мадярами, словаками, поляками та українцями, хіба ні? : : : : : Faktom je shto typyrj Madiary mavut' najliberalnishu polytyku k menshynam v Europi. : : Ihor: Швейцарію забули. Фінляндію. Ну і так далі. : : RE: I would mention Ukraine as well if there were some positive developments. Why shouldn’t be Hungarian progress mentioned? : You OVERmention it. I haven't heard if Hungarians treat their minorities good or not, but I have heard only positive things about Switzerland and Finland. And some negativity about Baltic countries, France, Poland, Ukraine. : : Is this because Ukraine cannot get out of the Bolshevik ailment? : I'll just give short answers to stupid questions from no on, ok? Well the answer starts below: : No. : : :Nadijmesia shto nyzdurivut' jak dakoly y nybudut' konkurovaty v idiotizme s Ukrainskymy Nazionalistamy y Bolshevikamy. : : : : Ihor: Ярмами як з кулемета стріляєте.. : : RE And you don’t? : Нє. : : You are trying to denigrate anything which in your paranoid Het’man thinking can be potentially perceived as a danger for Ukraine. : Here we go again. по десятому колу... : : This Het’man’s psychological environment is a true danger for Ukraine. Well, it is costly but apparently you have to learn it in a hard way. : what hard way, Joe? Drinking again, aren't you? : : Ihor: І чогось більшовиків з великої лтери пишете. Нєхарашо : : RE: Because they are too representative in current Ukraine reflected in pattern of thinking and that is very “Necharasho”.. : Your pattern of thinking remains one of humanities greatest puzzles, however no research on that matter will be funded, since no one really cares. : : P.S. If I write in Rusyn, Ihor, you should answer in Rusyn or English. : Since you understand Ukrainian, what's wrong with me answering in it? I have absolutely no problem with you replying to me in Rusyn or even Polish, except Polish will be harder to understand.

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