Re: Djakuju mamko, za ukrajinske z'ytja! Cont. for Ihor

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: : : TO IHOR FROM JOE : : Ihor: “I'm anxiously waiting for the source of such an insight, whatever that might be.” : : RE:“…The claim that Ukraine should have no worries about winter fuel may be hard to accept, considering that the country still depends on Russia for 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year, or about 70% of annual consumption, while its debt remains unpaid…” Economy: Ukraine Fails To Resolve Energy Debt By Michael Lelyveld (RFE/RL, 07/24/2000) : To Joe: And the comment was: : >>for Ukraine are coming either directly from Russia or through its territory. Ukrainian economy is consuming far more energy than it can produce products of the same value. : >I'm anxiously waiting for the source of such an insight, whatever that might be. : I don't see the explanation of your last sentence. : : : 70% annual consumption per year + oil from Russia+ nuclear fuel for Ukrainian nuclear plants also from Russia represent about 83%. Count also the storage of the nuclear waste. Last time it was send back from Siberia. : : Ihor; In case you didn't know, gas is also used for heating and 40% of Ukraine's power comes from nuclear pp's (not quite sure of the numbers). Also, 30% of gas used in Ukraine is "Ukrainian-made". Bye-bye, exaggerations. : : RE: Your numbers are in contrast with published data regarding the gas extraction in Ukraine or the energy production by nuclear pp. Supposedly Chernobyl produced 10% of total energy by the pp. At best it works 30% capacity and closing. : I don't see any facts to support or disprove what I said: 40% of Ukraine's energy comes from PPs and 30% of gas is "Ukrainian". : : : See Also Supporting evidence: : : “…The Turkmen Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday that Ukraine and Turkmenistan had signed a protocol to purchase 50 billion cubic meters (1.75 trillion cubic feet) of natural gas annually from the Central Asian nation for 10 years, starting in 2001. : : …But Kuchma noted that counting transportation fees, the price of 1,000 cubic meters of Turkmen gas might skyrocket to $90 by the time it reaches Ukraine's border, and total $105 for consumers within Ukraine. : : "This is a very clear deception," Kuchma said in comments carried by Interfax….” : : “…Ukraine and Turkmenistan signed a $720 million deal in 1998 under which Turkmenistan was to supply some 20 billion cubic meters (700 billion cubic feet) of gas to Ukraine in 1999. The gas began flowing in January 1999, but deliveries were suspended later that year after Ukraine's debt reached more than $100 million….” : : RE:GAS FROM TURKMENISTAN HAS TO BE DELIVERED TO UKRAINE VIA RUSSIA. ARE YOU TELLING THAT DELIVERY SHALL BE DONE BY AIRLIFT? : I don't know if it has to be delivered thru Russia or not because I don't know the details (where the pipelines are, what countries they pass through etc.). But clearly there is an alternate way, avoiding Russia. I don't know if the pipelines go under Caspian sea to Azerbaijan, then to Georgia and under Black Sea to Ukraine. : : “…Turkmen gas supplies are important for Ukraine, which gets most of its gas from neighboring Russia but finds the supplies threatened by its huge unpaid gas bill to Moscow. Kyiv estimates the debt at $1.4 billion but Russia's Gazprom gas monopoly says Ukraine owes about $2 billion….” KPNEWS 07/28/2000 : : Low domestic gas extraction : : “…BP Amoco’s decision last year not to develop a number of natural gas fields in Ukraine was widely seen as a blow to the country’s hopes of easing its dependence on Russian gas. : : The British-American oil and gas giant said the company’s research did not confirm that gas deposits in central and eastern Ukraine were large enough to be worth extracting. BP Amoco was reportedly looking for at least 300 billion cubic meters of recoverable gas in the area. …” The politics of waste and debt .Kyiv Post [07/20/2000] : : RE: WHAT ABOUT YOUR 30%? : "Ukraine consumes around 75 to 80 billion cubic metres (bcm) of gas per year. Last year it received 55 bcm from Russia, of which around 30 bcm represented payment for transit" : http://jump.altavista.com/res_nws.go?http://jump.altavista.com/news_res.go?http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?ei=2001698&ern=y : : : Take in consideration the rest of the economy, the basic food consumption: : : Ukraine's future: pigs and cows (by Roman Oleychuk Kyiv Post) The Ukrainian livestock market continued to decline in the first half of this year, with stocks of cattle, pigs and poultry all falling by at least 10 percent. : : Kyiv to spend Hr 100 million to satisfy demand for bread (Kyiv Post, News, July 27) – “…The Kyiv municipal administration will pay around Hr 100 million from the municipal budget before October for the 245,000 tons of grain that it has contracted to buy,..” the Kyiv municipal administration would try to complete payment for the grain within the shortest period possible because of the rather tense situation involving this year's grain harvest” : : RE: DO YOU CONSIDER THESE NUMBERS REMOTELY FACTUAL? : Kyiv Post's? Why, it's a respected source. Your numbers with no proof? Well, you get the idea. : : OF COURSE, IT TOUGH TO ACCEPT “REALNIST’ “ PARTICULARLY FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH HET’MAN MENTALITY AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN NATIONALISM. : Het'man mentality, LOL:-) : : Let’s say that Ukraine depends “only” 60% on Russia,s energy sources. Can you tell me how can Ukraine maintain its Samostijnist’ in long run? : Joe, there's not enough gas in Ukraine so it buys more from abroad. Does it lose it's independence that way? : :Why the article ”QUO VADIS, UKRAINE?” by Prof. James Mace,posted on this board is not correct?: : I haven't read it. : : “Zherstoka realnist’…” is that government authorities of Ukraine brushed off the problem of AIDS and reality is that this country currently has 250 000 HIV-1 positive individuals in productive age (from 18 to 55year old). : : Ihor: AIDS is a worldwide problem, what's your point? : : RE: Point is that it spreads so fast in Ukraine that is equal to African countries (e.g Uganda, Zimbabwe etc.)where the very existence of these nations is threatened. Within three-four years, Ukraine will have over one million HIV-1 positive individuals. These people are in productive age. Who will work in Ukraine? Children and grand parents? : Of course there's a problem. What do you propose? I don't quite know why you've come to the conclusion that 1 million people will be HIV infected in Ukraine in 3-4 years, but AIDS epidemic is not only Ukraine's and Africa's problem. : : Do you know what is the cost of one HIV-1 positive person in industrialized countries? It is over $200 000. : No, I didn't know that. I think you're exaggerating, although the cost may very well be high. : : Ihor: So far very little of what you said actually remotely corresponds with truth. : : RE: THE IGNORANCE IS BLESSING : Yeah, and what's your point? If you are trying to tell me that I'm ignorant, why thank you :)), but allow me to tell you that your opinion is as irrelevant to me, as the next lunatic's.

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