Posted by Joe on July 29, 2000 at 02:09:08:
In Reply to: Re: Djakuju mamko, za ukrajinske z'ytja! posted by Ihor on July 28, 2000 at 04:57:53:
To IHOR from JOE
: To Pavol from Joe
:RE: Hmm, Ihor, you have decided to do not only Yanko’s but also Pavlo’s job. What an extraordinary and total mobilization of .Zaporozhska Sich!
Ihor: “Does it give you some kind of satisfaction to convert someone's name in your own form?
RE:What do you mean ? Do you have in mind “Zaporozhec za Dunajem”or Het’man-Zaporozhec?
Ihor: “…"Joe"? It ain't Rusyn name “
RE: I never claimed. What’s your problem?
: Odp.: Po pershe to boly Zaporozhci, pochynaja od Bogdana Khmelnic'koho, kotri vynyly zhyduv. Rusyny neznaly shto to je antisemitism v takij formi jak to bolo mezh Velykorosamy, Ukrainc'amy, Mad'aramy, Pol'akamy alebo Slovakamy. Rusyny nyboly infikovani nacionalizmom jak susidni narody.
Ihor: “Ok, let's imagine for a sec that there were no anti-semites etc. among Rusyn. How would you know that and where's the proof?:-)
RE:
Henry Abramson: Collective Memory and Collective Identity: Jews, Rusyns, and the Holocoust. Carpatho-Rusyn American Fall 1994, Vol.XVII, No.3 (Dr. Abramson is a scholar of Jewish heritage.)
Tom Trier: ECMI East Central European Seminar "Inter-Ethnic Relations in Transcarpathian Ukraine," Uzhhorod, Ukraine, 4 to 7 September 1998. September 1999, 69 pp., 1 map, appendix.
Ingemar Karlsson : Lilla Nation (Small Nations of Europe published probably in 1995. I am not sure about the year). He has published extensively in Svenska Dagbladet also about Rusyns. Mr. Karlsson is the current Swedish ambassador in Prague and expert in history of small (underrepresented) nations in Europe. Unlike Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian or Polish historians he is not biased by nationalism and politics. Sweden has no interest in controlling Subcarpathia.
:Tym sa lyshat' Rusyny na Pudkarpatti od susiduv. Do tych susiduv treba chyslyty aj Ukrajincuv, kotri sa nachodat' od geografichnoho centra Europy, od hrebenov Karpat, na Vychodi (Vostoci). Bulsha chast' zhyduv prejshla z Ukrainy bo utikali pered pogromamy Kozakuv kotri boly najchastishe zo Zaporozhia ale aj z Donu. A chumu zhydy z Ukrainy tu na Pudkarpatti najshly a vybraly sobi novyj domuv? Bo Rusyny boly a aj sut' tolerantni. (Tuj netreba chyslyty tych, kotri sja pereminyly na velykych Mad'aruv abo Ukrajincuv "Zaporozhciv".) Rusyny nauchyly sja zhyty s druhyma narodami bez nenavisti podl'a zakona "Live and let live" (Leben nach leben).
Ihor: “I don't want to comment freshly written Ukrainian history by Joe, so let's skip that part, ok? Whatever you managed to learn about true Ukrainian history …”
RE: You cannot comment because many Ukrainian nationalists have blood on their hands.
See the number of immigrants from the West Ukraine who provided misleading and deceptive information to the US immigration authorities about their participation as guards in Nazi concentration camps. There is no Rusyn among them from Subcarpathia!
Ihor: (The rest is omitted, for there's nothing there to comment, it's simply Joe's understanding, we'll let him live with them)
RE: The above sentence is even more valid for you, Ihor. The rest is omitted because it is boring, particularly Kiyev or Kyiv. What do you intend to do with Prince (Veshchi) Oleg and the rest of the Russian speaking population?
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Odp.: Treba Rusynuv lyshyty na pokoji a na posady davaty tych z kraju kotri znavut robyty a chestovaty zakon. Usticha a druchych Het'manuv-Zaporozcuv (nachalnykuv) z Galicii,
:Podolia, kotri zabyravut' najlipshi mista (posady) na Pudkarpatti, Rusyny nevybyraly. Vy Pavle, jak aj druhi, majete velyku problemu rozumity, shto znachyt' "incentive and equity". Podumajte nad tym, chumu Shvajchiarski Francuzy sut' lojalni Shvejcarii a ne Francii.
Ihor: “A Vam cas vzhe podumaty i vtiamyty, scho rusyny Ukrayiny loial'ni Ukrayini bil'se nizh deiaki ukrayinci.”
RE: Are you talking about those Ukrainians who are in Galicia,. or about Academician Meshanych and the “red docent” Mushynka? As previously pointed out, these gays are great followers of Academician Lysenko. Khaj zhyve Samostijna Ukraina under leadership of these great men!!!
Ihor: “P.S. If don't answer me in foreseeable future, please e-mail me a copy of your post. I don't read archives.”
RE: Is this a threat? Don’t read! Anyway, you’re just obscuring the facts. Look at your Het’man-Zaporozhec judgement and response when Switzerland is given as a very successful example of resolving ethnic and nationality problems. Why is this small country so successful? What do you know about work ethic, self-governing tradition and grass-root movements in Switzerland?