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Make a Ukrainian Easter egg (Pysanka) at The Ukrainian Museum
Posted by UKIE-II on June 19, 2001 at 19:35:39:
In Reply to: Re: anti-UKIE-1 posted by anti-anti on June 19, 2001 at 13:44:17:
: : : : : There should be first question for everybody in Ukraine, ARE YOU UKRAINIAN FIRST ?
: : : : ::: Aren't you confusing UKRAINIAN FIRST with UKRAINIAN CITIZEN FIRST?
: : : I meant UKRAINIAN CITIZEN FIRST who obey ukrainian laws and do not undermine any ukrainian laws,
: : :::Then, there should not be any problem even with Rusyns since they do not ask for more than Hungarians and other minorities have gotten in Ukraine.
: All minorities in Ukraine should be thankful to ukrainian government for the free schools and universities as for now. In USA none of the minority has such possibilities like they have in Ukraine.
:::All minorities? Bolshevik Crap! Ask the Rusyns!
: In future all schools in Ukraine that do not have ukrainian language as a first language in their programs will be demoted and american model for other nationals private schools should be adopted - so ukrainian government won't have to spend extra money for such things.
:::Ukraine is not America. Ukraine is not even Poland. Ukraine is lower than Albania. Keep it in mind. GDP per capita of Ukraine is lower than in Albania.
: Ukrainian government does not have money nor need
: to spend for all language schools that exist
: in the world. Such schools should be private.
: Nobody in Ukraine prohibits to ogranise any
: saturday-sunday schools like rusyn, jewish, hungarian, german, russian, tatarian e.t.c. All these minoroties are free to ogranise such private schools anywhere they want.
::::Yes, but taxpayers pay taxes, including Rusyns thus they have right to use it for their cultural development and not for those programs what bureaucrats or nationalists think, wish and steal.
: : : Some ukies in this forum claimed that they
: : : are AMERICANS FIRST
: : ::: Yes, because AMERICANS include Germans, Irish, English, Russians, African Americans, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Indians, Slovaks, Rusyns, Czechs, Armenians.. etc., etc.
: Some of them claim that they are AMERICANS FIRST, they do not say that they are ukrainian americans.
Ukrainian American is second, similarly as German-Americans, Irish-Americans, Czech-Amerikans etc. are second because they are all Americans etc.
: : : Remind this to those ukies who stated that they are AMERICANS FIRST
: : :::You are still confused. American means also American citizen (American=American citizen) which includes all ethnic groups from the whole world.
: It looks like you are the one who is confused.
::: Confused ? Can you be specific? Ah, you don't like the idea that one has to be citizen first and only than Ukrainian, Russian etc. I can understand that the tribal belonging can be very strong but that is archaic feelings. Market and economy doesn't like it. Tribal belonging leads to Tribal wars. And that is very bad.
: Ukrainians = law abiding ukrainian citizens,
: 100 % of them knows ukrainian language as it is required by the law.
:::Can you tell me what's your point?
: : : GERMAN FIRST, SERBS FIRST, AMERICANS FIRST
: : : are alien to mankind and civilized world.
: : :::American first is a part of the civilized word.
: You are contradicting to yourself. GERMAN FIRST, SERBS FIRST, AMERICANS FIRST are alien to mankind and civilized world.
:::Not at all! American first means American citizen is first not his/her ethnic origin. Don't confuse it with German first and Serbs first. That is based on ethnicity with destructive nationalism, in contrast to American first.
: : If Ukrainians want to be a part of the civilized world than there should not be a problem who is Rusyn and who is Ukrainian or Russian.
: Ukraine is a civilised country just in opposite to Russia or America, because Ukraine has culture that was breeded in centuries. America has to spend some time to have such culture - may be 1-2 centuries more.
:::Centuries of what? Kiyevska Rus was not Ukrainian if that what you are trying to convey me.
: Ukraine has to make ukrainian laws to rule in Ukraine - and this will happened. So McDonalds or Microsoft in Ukraine will be ukrainian companies but not aliens who just do whatever they like.
What Microsoft is doing ? Using programs in Russian? Don't use it.
And what McDonalds is doing? Not selling Ukrainian borsch? Why don't you set up a Ukrainian McDonalds that would sell borsch?
Companies respond to market and not to your nationalistic feelings. Don't buy and that's it!
Thus, not Ukrainian mafia and oligarch are danger for Ukraine but Microsoft and McDonalds.