Re: Rabotiaga & Rabochiy (holding Sickle & Hammer together)

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Posted by Andrew K on April 15, 2000 at 19:46:59:

In Reply to: Re: Rabotiaga & Rabochiy (holding Sickle & Hammer together) posted by Rabotiaga on April 15, 2000 at 18:57:28:

: 1. Uhh. I see. Ukrainian technology suddenly became outdated after the separation.

Well, surprise, dear "rabotiaga", "Ukrainian technology", or, more presicely, "Soviet technology" was never especially good. It was outdated and dangerous (e.g. Chernobyl. Hope, you won't deny this in your usual ignorant style)

: 2. Read my previous posting, plant I was working at was pretty high-tech.

Yeah, right. That's why it couldn't sell ANYTHING to the western consumers to pay your salary.

: Also read there, why your arguments of type "it sux in Russia too" don't work for me.

Well, so far I mentioned some real fact of complete blackouts of Voronezh streets just to cause your immense irritation. Somehow, there are no Ukrainian nationalists to blame, and that makes you uncomfortable, sorry.

: And also read there, why I don't care for politics, unless it directly affects my everyday life.

Well, you do care for politics, at least according to your previous posts. So here is one of your own advises: don't lie.

: 3. I don't want to post the same stuff over and over again. Apparently you just don't
: read my postings before replying to them. Try doing that next time. I've heard it helps to
: understand your opponent's point before replying.

Ever thought, it could be you who are not reading carefully enough?

: 4. As for the issue of "humanitarian" help to Russia that you keep bringing up as a part of
: your "it-sux-in-Russia-too" line.
: The only constant "help" that I know of is wheat that goes to Russia from States and Canada.

Only wheat?! LOL. What about meat, poultry, butter, vegetable oil, dried beans, etc., etc.?

: According to the Russian Farmers Assosiation it is a big blow to them 'cause they get much
: less government procurement. And apparently it helps keep American&Canadian Farmers (who,
: actually, receive help from the government ) happy 'cause government buys their product.

Sure, enemies all around Russia, trying to hurt it with tones of free food. LOL.

: And, I've heard Putin is considering gradual abandoning of this program.

Finally, Russia will try to provide for its own people. Good news.

: 5. I guess, same way, you can consider Russian gas&oil that Ukraine consumes, a "humanitarian
: help" 'cause Ukraine doesn't pay for it, as far as I know, debt just keeps accumulating.

Well, unlike the West, Russia continues stalking Ukraine with immediate payment demands. The solution is simple: don't sell something you don't get paid for.

: I know that there was an arrangement made, according to which Ukraine gave up some of the planes
: left over from so much hated USSR, to "pay" some of the deficit off.

Excellent move. Instead of having those 20-year old planes rusting, it's better sell them to somebody.

: Maybe there is some other "help" that comes to Russia, but,of course, Russians
: don't see it, even if there is anything. Ukrainian Mafia steals it (heh).

Who else? And believe me, Russians DO get that free food. Life in Siberia would be much harder otherwise.

: 6. And again, for the 100th time, I am not saying Russia is doing well. However, level
: of life in Russia seems to be higher than in Ukraine. At least from what I have seen or heard from my friends while in Russia

Well, I guess they are not saying the whole truth. I don't see you going to Russia (no work there, as you explained).

And guess what - they have constant, scheduled power-outs in residential areas as often as 5 times a week.

Right, I guess this is your way to reply to "it sux in Russia" argument. Voronezh still has its water switched off most of the day, despite all this intense argumentation of yours.

Besides, I read Ukrainian government said it will stop switching off electricity to those who pay for it.

: 8. For the 1000th time, I am not saying that 'cause I "like" Russia or 'cause I am "russian patriot", but most everybody
: who replies to me seems to have an easy excuse, you say them "it sux in Ukraine" they say "it sux in Russia too".

They just try to give the arguments you could understand, don't blame them for this.

And yes, if you "like" Russia, you do "sound" like a Russian patriot.

: Well, maybe, but not as much. Or, maybe yes, so? They don't speak Ukrainian, remember?
: They all are mafia members ('cause don't forget Russian is a language of bandits, so they all are bandits).

Sorry, I can't reply to every pathetic "joke" of yours.

: 9. What can you expect from those schi-eating vodka-drinking russian-speaking dumb arrogant opressors and cretins?

I don't know.

: I mean how can they ever compare to book-reading, space-station-building, ukrainian-culture-loving peaceful geniuses who eat salo?

You tell us.

:
: Hope this reply wasn't too long for you. If you are reading this line you've made it!
: Congratulations, looks like you are making some progress.
:
: I numbered some of the sentences, so I can refer you to them later, if you will reply, as always, without reading them.

Please, try to come up with something a bit more clever.

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: : 1. Uhh. I see. Ukrainian technology suddenly became outdated after the separation. : Well, surprise, dear "rabotiaga", "Ukrainian technology", or, more presicely, "Soviet technology" was never especially good. It was outdated and dangerous (e.g. Chernobyl. Hope, you won't deny this in your usual ignorant style) : : 2. Read my previous posting, plant I was working at was pretty high-tech. : Yeah, right. That's why it couldn't sell ANYTHING to the western consumers to pay your salary. : : Also read there, why your arguments of type "it sux in Russia too" don't work for me. : Well, so far I mentioned some real fact of complete blackouts of Voronezh streets just to cause your immense irritation. Somehow, there are no Ukrainian nationalists to blame, and that makes you uncomfortable, sorry. : : And also read there, why I don't care for politics, unless it directly affects my everyday life. : Well, you do care for politics, at least according to your previous posts. So here is one of your own advises: don't lie. : : 3. I don't want to post the same stuff over and over again. Apparently you just don't : : read my postings before replying to them. Try doing that next time. I've heard it helps to : : understand your opponent's point before replying. : Ever thought, it could be you who are not reading carefully enough? : : 4. As for the issue of "humanitarian" help to Russia that you keep bringing up as a part of : : your "it-sux-in-Russia-too" line. : : The only constant "help" that I know of is wheat that goes to Russia from States and Canada. : Only wheat?! LOL. What about meat, poultry, butter, vegetable oil, dried beans, etc., etc.? : : According to the Russian Farmers Assosiation it is a big blow to them 'cause they get much : : less government procurement. And apparently it helps keep American&Canadian Farmers (who, : : actually, receive help from the government ) happy 'cause government buys their product. : Sure, enemies all around Russia, trying to hurt it with tones of free food. LOL. : : And, I've heard Putin is considering gradual abandoning of this program. : Finally, Russia will try to provide for its own people. Good news. : : 5. I guess, same way, you can consider Russian gas&oil that Ukraine consumes, a "humanitarian : : help" 'cause Ukraine doesn't pay for it, as far as I know, debt just keeps accumulating. : Well, unlike the West, Russia continues stalking Ukraine with immediate payment demands. The solution is simple: don't sell something you don't get paid for. : : I know that there was an arrangement made, according to which Ukraine gave up some of the planes : : left over from so much hated USSR, to "pay" some of the deficit off. : Excellent move. Instead of having those 20-year old planes rusting, it's better sell them to somebody. : : Maybe there is some other "help" that comes to Russia, but,of course, Russians : : don't see it, even if there is anything. Ukrainian Mafia steals it (heh). : Who else? And believe me, Russians DO get that free food. Life in Siberia would be much harder otherwise. : : 6. And again, for the 100th time, I am not saying Russia is doing well. However, level : : of life in Russia seems to be higher than in Ukraine. At least from what I have seen or heard from my friends while in Russia : Well, I guess they are not saying the whole truth. I don't see you going to Russia (no work there, as you explained). : And guess what - they have constant, scheduled power-outs in residential areas as often as 5 times a week. : Right, I guess this is your way to reply to "it sux in Russia" argument. Voronezh still has its water switched off most of the day, despite all this intense argumentation of yours. : Besides, I read Ukrainian government said it will stop switching off electricity to those who pay for it. : : 8. For the 1000th time, I am not saying that 'cause I "like" Russia or 'cause I am "russian patriot", but most everybody : : who replies to me seems to have an easy excuse, you say them "it sux in Ukraine" they say "it sux in Russia too". : They just try to give the arguments you could understand, don't blame them for this. : And yes, if you "like" Russia, you do "sound" like a Russian patriot. : : Well, maybe, but not as much. Or, maybe yes, so? They don't speak Ukrainian, remember? : : They all are mafia members ('cause don't forget Russian is a language of bandits, so they all are bandits). : Sorry, I can't reply to every pathetic "joke" of yours. : : 9. What can you expect from those schi-eating vodka-drinking russian-speaking dumb arrogant opressors and cretins? : I don't know. : : I mean how can they ever compare to book-reading, space-station-building, ukrainian-culture-loving peaceful geniuses who eat salo? : You tell us. : : : : Hope this reply wasn't too long for you. If you are reading this line you've made it! : : Congratulations, looks like you are making some progress. : : : : I numbered some of the sentences, so I can refer you to them later, if you will reply, as always, without reading them. : Please, try to come up with something a bit more clever.

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