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Borys Kosarev: Modernist Kharkiv, 1915-1931 at The Ukrainian Museum thru May 2, 2012
Posted by Rabotiaga on April 15, 2000 at 18:57:28:
In Reply to: Re: Rabotiaga & Rabochiy (holding Sickle & Hammer together) posted by Andrew K on April 14, 2000 at 00:56:43:
1. Uhh. I see. Ukrainian technology suddenly became outdated after the separation.
2. Read my previous posting, plant I was working at was pretty high-tech.
Also read there, why your arguments of type "it sux in Russia too" don't work for me.
And also read there, why I don't care for politics, unless it directly affects my everyday life.
3. I don't want to post the same stuff over and over again. Apparently you just don't
read my postings before replying to them. Try doing that next time. I've heard it helps to
understand your opponent's point before replying.
4. As for the issue of "humanitarian" help to Russia that you keep bringing up as a part of
your "it-sux-in-Russia-too" line.
The only constant "help" that I know of is wheat that goes to Russia from States and Canada.
According to the Russian Farmers Assosiation it is a big blow to them 'cause they get much
less government procurement. And apparently it helps keep American&Canadian Farmers (who,
actually, receive help from the government ) happy 'cause government buys their product.
And, I've heard Putin is considering gradual abandoning of this program.
5. I guess, same way, you can consider Russian gas&oil that Ukraine consumes, a "humanitarian
help" 'cause Ukraine doesn't pay for it, as far as I know, debt just keeps accumulating.
I know that there was an arrangement made, according to which Ukraine gave up some of the planes
left over from so much hated USSR, to "pay" some of the deficit off.
Maybe there is some other "help" that comes to Russia, but,of course, Russians
don't see it, even if there is anything. Ukrainian Mafia steals it (heh).
6. And again, for the 100th time, I am not saying Russia is doing well. However, level
of life in Russia seems to be higher than in Ukraine. At least from what I have seen or heard from my friends while in Russia
and Ukraine (Moskva, St. Peterburg, Tambov, Voronezh, Novosibirsk, Vladivostok, Stavropol' vs. Kiev, Har'kov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye,
Donetsk, L'vov) and saw and heard here on TV, that is hard to suspect in any pro-russian sympathy (especially american TV).
7. Speaking of electricity - my former co-worker lives in Energodar, a small city near
Zaporozhye that has Atom-powered Electric Station, kinda like the one that blew up in Chernobyl.
And guess what - they have constant, scheduled power-outs in residential areas as often as 5 times a week.
He said Zaporozhye gets them power-outs too.
8. For the 1000th time, I am not saying that 'cause I "like" Russia or 'cause I am "russian patriot", but most everybody
who replies to me seems to have an easy excuse, you say them "it sux in Ukraine" they say "it sux in Russia too".
Well, maybe, but not as much. Or, maybe yes, so? They don't speak Ukrainian, remember?
They all are mafia members ('cause don't forget Russian is a language of bandits, so they all are bandits).
9. What can you expect from those schi-eating vodka-drinking russian-speaking dumb arrogant opressors and cretins?
I mean how can they ever compare to book-reading, space-station-building, ukrainian-culture-loving peaceful geniuses who eat salo?
Hope this reply wasn't too long for you. If you are reading this line you've made it!
Congratulations, looks like you are making some progress.
I numbered some of the sentences, so I can refer you to them later, if you will reply, as always, without reading them.
: I think you have some problems with reading yourself, so please do not blame me. Yes, I do dislike those lengthy diatribes of yours which fail to answer some fair and simple questions I asked. So please, read carefully and please, think when you answer.
: And you are wrong again, I don't have a habit of lying just to bad-mouth so close to your heart Russia. Please take the issue of "Itogi" from March 21 this year and read about Voronezh streets going completely dark during the night.
: I also do not want to see you as a Ukrainian patriot. People like you think it is equivalent to yelling some nazi slogans, so please stay who you are, a patriot of Russia. I wish you to find some job there as soon as possible. Find some good place somewhere in Voronezh, get your $50 a month, and don't try to get some free food from the Russian enemies in the West.
: Finally, you somehow omitted the question why Ukraine had such a 'lame' economy after it finally got its freedom. Ancient, dirty technologies, ugly cities, ecological disasters all over its territory. Did you expect some miracle of Ukraine becoming something close to Finland in a matter of a few years? And you dare to blame some 'ukrainization'? If we can only blame somebody, it would be people like you, who don't give a damn about their own country. Ukraine has such people all over its parliament, government, etc., spitting on their own nation, promoting the culture of their former slave-masters, crushing any sign of a progress.