Re: Rabotiaga & Rabochiy (holding Sickle & Hammer together)

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: : Excellent point. Who are these Russian-swearing, abusing people? What kind of "conveyer" do you have to work on in Ukraine, to then go to Canada and work as "Unix administrator"? Who do they think they can fool? You can smell "GeBe" all over those colorful personalities. Even if they don't work there, they surely think the same way. Notice the huge respect those people pay to Putin. : : : Words "rabochiy" and "rabotiaga" were elevated to the sky by soviet communists and have a bolshevik flavor. That's why these 2 people like to be called so. R & R are clearly Homo Sovieticus types. They are called "Komuniaka" in Ukraine and "Sovok" in Russia. They even can offend Ukrainian symbols which is normal for them. These 2 are most likely PTU dropouts (PTU-lowest type of vocational school in the former USSR - Profesiyno- tehnichne uchylyshche) and now welfare recipients, one in Canada, and second in the USA. Why didn't they go to Russia? Because they like to eat "kovbasa" (sausages) and drink vodka, but these things are not affordable there. That's the level of minds we are dealing with. My proper reaction would be to say that they both prey to the double-headed chiken but sausages and vodka is above all for them. To undestand their blatant Russian no dictionary is of help, you have to live in their environment. I am happy they left Ukraine. Russia doesn't miss them either. : <i> : If you are so interested in my biography(like a "GB" person would probably be) - : I worked on the conveyer, operated by the programmable robots (in Russian - : "Stanki s Chislovym Programmnym Upravleniem"). I started as an assembler, and : ended up maintaining the production line itself. : Programs for those robots were developed using a package that ran on the : Unix workstation - that's how I got into the "higher level" stuff. : Salary for the Engineer on the plant floor was 20-30 rubles higher (which is 10% of the total : salary) than the one of the Engineer of the same category in the IT department ("Vych. Centr"). : Most assemblers who worked there had at least a technical education ("Tehnikum") : or a Bachelor's Degree. : On a simpler lines there were people from "PTU", most of them were attending : evening classes at the University, working on a Bachelor's Degree. : I made friends with a lot of them, as , unlike you, I don't have prejudice against : people who, for different reasons, are less educated then me, or who's job involves more : physical labor. I have more respect for somebody who had to start working earlier to support : his family (or at least help his parents - like I did, while attending school) , : than somebody, who was supported by his parents while obtaining his degree. : Later, I moved into the more "high-tech" stuff at the same plant. A lot of documentation : and periodicals that I had to read was in english, so I learned english. : I am not sure who gave you the idea of me "disliking" West? : I mean there are certain things that I am not comfortable with, but, I guess, they : can be explained by my soviet upbringing, overall I think it is great here. : Because here if you have skills and you are not lazy to apply them, you can provide : for a decent living for yourself and your family. : Why I did not go to Russia? - 'cause they have plenty of people with my qualifications : and there is a lack of specialists in my field in Canada. So my skills are much more : marketable here. Plus, "propiska" is still in effect(at least, last time I checked) : in most big cities (where I can find a job to apply my skills), and , as you know, : without it you can't get any job on the state-operated (read-big) plant that has : HR department ("otdel kadrov"). : So, like I said, F.O.A.D. and don't try to make it look like "rednecks", that : you assume me and RABOCHIJ are, are arguing with "highly sophisticated" Ukrainian : intellectuals that you are not appear to be. : And if you are so smart, please, answer my layman's rabotiaga's question- : Check this out:<b>When I had a red rag over my head, everything seemed to be OK. : Yes, there were annoying commies around, but nobody bugged you too much. : When it got replaced by yelow-and-blue rag with the fork everything started to suck. : And on top of it, you suddenly learn, that you are not even a "real" ukrainian : if you don't hate everything that you were brought up with. : Now, you are saying I was brought up on the "false values". Let it be so (even though I don't : think respect for hard working people is a "false value", or that Ukrainian culture : is superior to Russian), but I think you understand the frustration people like me start to feel." : </b> : Explain this, if you are so smart. : </i>

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