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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shanovnyi druzi,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not to nitpick, but why deny people from </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Ukraine</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> who speak Russian (or Ukrainian
with an occasional Russian accent) an identity as “Ukrainian”?
There are millions of Ukrainians in eastern and southern </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Ukraine</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> who, having grown up speaking
Russian, are now making an attempt to master Ukrainian. Their efforts should
be welcomed and encouraged, in my view -- not discouraged on behalf of some
expectation of (illusive) linguistic purity. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As far as well-informed people saying “Ki-yev”
instead of “Ky-yiv,” it seems old habits die hard. Let’s
change those habits, but with patience and understanding.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Rory Finnin</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Department of Slavic Languages and
Literatures</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Center for Comparative Literature and
Society</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Columbia</span></font><font size=2
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color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>University</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> mova-bounces@brama.com
[mailto:mova-bounces@brama.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mykola
Ponomarenko<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 16, 2006
5:25 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> mova@brama.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [mova] Ki-yev or
Ky-yiv ?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Irena, </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Fluent Ukrainian speaker, as I am, will say
Ky-jiv in all situations. I think you had experience NOT with people
who speak Ukrainian naturally, but with those who speak Russian naturally
and know Ukrainian. They present themselves to you as Ukrainians
but in reality they are Russian speakers from Ukraine. For them it is
subconscious to say Ki-ev, especially when they say it "in English"
:)) </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Fershtain? ;)</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Mykola </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=gmailquote><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 10/16/06, <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Peter Voitsekhovsky</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:pvoitsekhovsky@gvpt.umd.edu">pvoitsekhovsky@gvpt.umd.edu</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span> </p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
would like to take this questiion further.<br>
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Why is it that speakers of Ukrainian who know perfectly well that the <br>
US capital's name is [wOshington] in English, still say
[va-shing-TON]<br>
in Ukrainian (same as in Russian)?<br>
<br>
Petro<br>
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>>> K&I Bell <<a href="mailto:kib@magma.ca">kib@magma.ca</a>>
10/16/06 3:07 PM >>> <br>
Dear Mova -<br>
I wonder why even those who are
well-informed and use Kyiv<br>
instead<br>
of Kiev in writing,<br>
still, in speaking, pronounce it in
Ukrainian and English, as<br>
Ki-yev<br>
instead of Ky-yiv ? <br>
Why ? I don't get it .....<br>
Irena</span></font></p>
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