[mova] the pronunciation of Kyiv
kib at magma.ca
Mon Oct 30 17:12:01 EST 2006
What an interesting explanation re Anglo's
pronunciation (or not) of Kyiv ! Thank you so much, Wayles Browne . Irena B
At 01:24 PM 19/10/2006, you wrote:
>Âèáà÷òå, ÿ áóäó ïèñàòè ïî àíëiéñüêîìó, òîìó ùî
>ìîÿ òåìà äîòè÷èòü âëàñíå àíëiéñüêî¿ âèìîâè.
>I am afraid that the difficulty for Anglophones
>is not merely understandable--it is unavoidable, even incurable.
>I say this because of some facts about English vowels and syllables:
>There are two kinds of syllables: one has a
>vowel at the end, like English "go, see, too"
>etc., and the other kind has a vowel followed by
>a consonant, like English "it, goat, book" etc.
>For some languages, this doesn't make much
>difference. Indeed, it is not important for
>present-day Ukrainian (though for older
>Ukrainian it did make a difference). But for
>English it is important, because different
>English vowels behave differently. The English
>long vowels can be at the end of a syllable, or
>they can have a consonant after them, so we can
>say "go" and "goat", "see" and "seem", "too" and
>"tool". However, the English short vowels can't
>be at the end of a syllable. They must have a
>consonant after them. So we can say "get" but we
>can't say "ge..." in English, we can say "fat"
>but we can't say "fa...", we can say "fun" but
>we can't say "fu...", and, now I'm coming to my
>main point, we can say Lynch but we can't say
>"Ly...". That also means that we can't say
>"Ky..." as a separate syllable, whereas we can
>say "Ki..." as a separate syllable (as in the
>word "key", for instance--that is a long vowel in English).
>>It is understandable that many anglophones will have difficulty pronouncing
>>Kyiv. But now that the State Department has adopted this spelling, we
>>can patiently tell our anglophone friends that:
>>1) The noun has two syllables: *ky -- *iv*
>>2) The *y* in the first syllable is like the vowel *y* in Lynch.
>>3) The second syllable is pronounced like the second syllable in
>>the adjective (and noun) *na -- ive.*
>>With consistent use (and a respectful attitude) on the part of
>>Ukrainians, anglophones will switch from *Kiev* to *Kyiv,* the way
>>they switched from *Peking* to *Beijing.*
>>Dr. Natalia Pylypiuk
>>University of Alberta
>Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
>Department of Linguistics
>Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University
>Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
>tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
>fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
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