[mova] Ki-yev or Ky-yiv ?

[K&I Bell]

Hi - Thank you for your comments.  I guess what I find annoying is 
that patriotic diaspora Ukrainians, or gov't officials from Ukraine, 
are not more careful.   Irena

At 06:22 PM 16/10/2006, you wrote:

>Shanovnyi druzi,
>
>Not to nitpick, but why deny people from Ukraine who speak Russian 
>(or Ukrainian with an occasional Russian accent) an identity as 
>"Ukrainian"?  There are millions of Ukrainians in eastern and 
>southern Ukraine who, having grown up speaking Russian, are now 
>making an attempt to master Ukrainian.  Their efforts should be 
>welcomed and encouraged, in my view -- not discouraged on behalf of 
>some expectation of (illusive) linguistic purity.
>
>As far as well-informed people saying "Ki-yev" instead of "Ky-yiv," 
>it seems old habits die hard.  Let's change those habits, but with 
>patience and understanding.
>
>Us'oho naikrashchoho,
>
>Rory
>
>_________________________
>Rory Finnin
>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
>Center for Comparative Literature and Society
>Columbia University
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mova-bounces at brama.com [mailto:mova-bounces at brama.com] On 
>Behalf Of Mykola Ponomarenko
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:25 PM
>To: mova at brama.com
>Subject: Re: [mova] Ki-yev or Ky-yiv ?
>
>Hi Irena,
>Fluent Ukrainian speaker, as I am, will say Ky-jiv in all 
>situations. I think you had experience NOT with people who speak 
>Ukrainian naturally, but with those who speak Russian naturally and 
>know Ukrainian. They present themselves to you as Ukrainians but in 
>reality they are Russian speakers from Ukraine. For them it is 
>subconscious to say Ki-ev, especially when they say it "in English" :))
>
>Fershtain? ;)
>-- Mykola
>
>
>On 10/16/06, Peter Voitsekhovsky 
><<mailto:pvoitsekhovsky at gvpt.umd.edu>pvoitsekhovsky at gvpt.umd.edu> wrote:
>I would like to take this questiion further.
>
>Why is it that speakers of Ukrainian who know perfectly well that the
>US capital's name is  [wOshington] in English, still say [va-shing-TON]
>in Ukrainian (same as in Russian)?
>
>Petro
>
> >>> K&I Bell <<mailto:kib at magma.ca>kib at magma.ca> 10/16/06 3:07 PM >>>
>Dear Mova -
>        I wonder why even those who are well-informed and use Kyiv
>instead
>of Kiev in writing,
>        still, in speaking, pronounce it in Ukrainian and English, as
>Ki-yev
>instead of Ky-yiv ?
>        Why ? I don't get it .....
>                                                Irena
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