[mova] Re: [UkrCdnBroadcasters] once again about VolYn
K&I Bell
kib at magma.ca
Fri Jun 9 12:24:52 EDT 2006
No, Marta, I didn't mean you as an outsider. I meant anyone, even
those in Ukraine, other than the inhabitants of the place in
question, Volyn. It would seem that the people actually living in
the area should have the final say as to how their name is
pronounced. But with Simon's message, we now have two opposing
pronunciations, both from Volyn natives ! As well as two people
living in Ukraine, one of whom prefers the stress on the first, and
the other who says that both pronunciations are widely
used. Interesting re the two dictionaries. So, since I'm not a
philologist, what is the adage ? - "bez vodky (or horilky) ne
rozberesh" ? :-(
Irena
At 11:07 AM 09/06/2006, you wrote:
>I checked an orthographic dictionary published in Kyiv, the etymological
>dictionary by Metropolitan Ilarion (secular name: Ivan Ohienko), which was
>published by the Instytut Doslidiv Volyni in Winnipeg, and the 1907
>Dictionary of the Ukrainian Language published in Kyiv by Borys Hrinchenko.
>ALL place the stress on the second syllable.
>
>Correct literary Ukrainian is not a question restricted to the geographic
>borders of Ukraine, and as a fluent Ukrainian-speaking philologist, I am no
>outsider, even though I do not reside in Ukraine.
>
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>Subject: RE: [UkrCdnBroadcasters] Re: accent: VOlyn' or VolYn' ?
>
>Aren't those dictionaries Soviet-era ones ? Strange that people in
>Volyn wouldn't know how to pronounce their own name, and would have
>to depend on outsiders to teach them. Irena
>
>At 09:39 AM 08/06/2006, you wrote:
>From: "Marta Olynyk" <HYPERLINK
>"mailto:m.olynyk%40sympatico.ca"m.olynyk at sympatico.-ca>
>
> >This isn't a question of opinion, folks. Check any orthographic or
> >etymological dictionary of the Ukrainian language, and you will find the
> >stress on VolYn. So going by what "people say" in Ukraine, where the
> >language has been the target of four hundred years of linguicide, or in the
> >diaspora, where many people use a faulty Ukrainian, is no indication of
> >correct linguistic usage.
> >
> >Volyn, with the stress on the O is used by halychany and is not the
>literary
> >Ukrainian pronunciation.
>
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