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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Well said.<BR>
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Daria<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Sorokowski, Andrew (ENRD) [<A HREF="mailto:Andrew.Sorokowski@usdoj.gov">mailto:Andrew.Sorokowski@usdoj.gov</A>]<BR>
Sent: Fri 12/09/2008 02:11<BR>
To: OSD; solar75wind@gmail.com; chumache@illinois.edu; Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson<BR>
Cc: ukrainians@yahoogroups.com; aaus-list@ukrainianstudies.org<BR>
Subject: RE: [aaus-list] VG, F-D:biased<BR>
<BR>
I was under the impression that this is a list for scholars dedicated to<BR>
Ukrainian Studies, not an association of patriotic Ukrainian scholars.<BR>
Therefore, russophilia should not disqualify one from participating --<BR>
any more than polonophilia or germanophilia or americophilia -- provided<BR>
that one does support Ukrainian studies. We all have our biases; the<BR>
issue is whether we can control them and be truthful and reasonably<BR>
objective. In the academic world even (or especially) being a<BR>
Ukrainophile can disqualify you from a job in Ukrainian studies if it<BR>
interferes with your scholarly integrity. The only russophiles that<BR>
should be excluded are those that deny the very existence of Ukraine and<BR>
thus the validity of Ukrainian studies as such.<BR>
<BR>
Andrew Sorokowski<BR>
US Department of Justice (whose views he does not represent)<BR>
<BR>
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________________________________<BR>
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From: aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org<BR>
[<A HREF="mailto:aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org">mailto:aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org</A>] On Behalf Of OSD<BR>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:12 AM<BR>
To: solar75wind@gmail.com; chumache@illinois.edu; dsfd@unimelb.edu.au<BR>
Cc: ukrainians@yahoogroups.com; aaus-list@ukrainianstudies.org<BR>
Subject: [aaus-list] VG, F-D:biased<BR>
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<BR>
Yes, sounds like someone just threw a tantrum. But I'm sure you<BR>
wouldn't call it that.<BR>
<BR>
In fact, Dr Fewdewytsch-Dickson, scholars can in fact pillory articles<BR>
by anyone without lengthy counter-argument if the proposer of such<BR>
articles has displayed consistent skewed/ biased patterns of thoughts,<BR>
such as Mr Gorbach (Vuhdeem), and the article proposed again is shown to<BR>
be a biased/ skewed piece, meant not to stimulate an objective<BR>
discussion, as Mr Gorbach claims, but to simply ensure that his point of<BR>
view is consistently represented, without accepting any<BR>
counter--argument. An example is Mr Gorbach's glee at telling the world<BR>
that Georgia used mines first instead of trying to start an objective<BR>
discussion on that topic and how the human rights of our Russian<BR>
neighbors have deteriorated under the regime of Ras-Putin.<BR>
<BR>
So, in fact, it is you and Vadim that are biased and skewed since<BR>
anytime anyone raises an objection to the obviously russophillic tone of<BR>
his emails, he, then you, jump in and accuse people of being unscholarly<BR>
and biased. In fact, it seems as if the two of you are in cahoots<BR>
(perhaps you are kohutyky?) .<BR>
<BR>
To the Ukrainians on this chain, do not remove yourselves from the<BR>
email. That has been the pattern of Ukrainians in the past. Are we<BR>
scholars first and then Ukrainians? I think not since if that were the<BR>
case, we would simply be members of our academic organizations rather<BR>
than this one. I propose that we are of Ukrainian heritage first then<BR>
scholars second and as such we should encourage objective debate but not<BR>
fall away from defending our point of view, our culture, our language<BR>
and yes, in fact our native country's multi-pluralistic cultures but not<BR>
at the expense of russophilic goading.<BR>
<BR>
Russophilic kohutyky should be engaged in discussion, challenged and a<BR>
positive outcome would be ideal. But in the face of consistent lies (yes<BR>
lies, Vadim states he is not russophillic, that he is objective, but I<BR>
point to his body of work of emails and see not one shred of evidence of<BR>
his claims), russophillic goaders must be addressed as a topic by the<BR>
governing board of this email chain. Seeing such persistent disregard<BR>
of the guidance of what should be posted by one or two kohutyky and the<BR>
non-action of this board is confusing.<BR>
<BR>
With all due respect,<BR>
<BR>
Dr. Oleh Denysyk<BR>
<BR>
Director, Analytics, Organ Transplantation/ Oncology<BR>
<BR>
RLI Laboratories<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: "Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson" [dsfd@unimelb.edu.au]<BR>
Date: 09/10/2008 10:35 PM<BR>
To: "Vadim" , chumache@illinois.edu<BR>
CC: "ukrainians" , "aaus"<BR>
Subject: RE: [aaus-list] Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA): Russia was right,U.S.<BR>
was<BR>
wrong on Georgia<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Just so. I am astounded that scholars should pillory articles proposed<BR>
by Mr Gorbach.<BR>
<BR>
They are serious and challenging.<BR>
<BR>
They can also be countered by anyone willing to put in the critical<BR>
muscle. Otherwise, merely complaining of bias without counter-argument<BR>
is tantrum-throwing.<BR>
<BR>
D.<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: aaus-list-bounces@ukrainianstudies.org on behalf of Vadim<BR>
Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 4:23 PM<BR>
To: chumache@illinois.edu<BR>
Cc: ukrainians; aaus<BR>
Subject: Re: [aaus-list] Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA): Russia was right,U.S.<BR>
was wrong on Georgia<BR>
<BR>
I am not pro-Russian. I am pro-ethical and an advocate for critical<BR>
thinking and balanced analysis.<BR>
<BR>
V.Gorbach<BR>
<BR>
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:45 PM, <chumache@illinois.edu> wrote:<BR>
> Dear Vadim,<BR>
><BR>
> Would you please consider stopping this kind of political activism on<BR>
behalf of Mr. Putin and K?<BR>
><BR>
> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's comments may be worth to read about some day<BR>
in the future, but I have serious doubts that AAUS members should suffer<BR>
from this sort of the internet spam.<BR>
><BR>
> V. Chumachenko<BR>
> UIUC<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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