[aaus-list] RE: VG, F-D:biased

Thu Sep 11 22:25:35 EDT 2008

Once again, ad-hominem not ad-rem.

I am dismayed at the number of people on this list who assume that we all feel and think the same way and, if not, then argue that we should. Is this what you expect from lists in your professional field?

List subscribers have all sorts of identities (and agendas at times) - all of us. Which identity takes priority is known only to each person him/herself. And priorities/identities change. Sometimes due to confronting "inconvenient truths" and for many other reasons. 

I have consistently argued merely for the consideration of Vadim's or anyone else's viewpoints which are validly made - not necessarily correct. 
It is actually important on some level if Georgia carried out military actions or used certain weapons first. This is not a marginal point - to sweep away because "we" don't like it if it does not fit the preferred view. You would be the first to complain if someone argues such "exemptions" for Russia. A legal case would certainly take it into account.

DFD

-----Original Message-----
From: OSD [mailto:drdenny324 at excite.com]
Sent: Fri 12/09/2008 01:11
To: solar75wind at gmail.com; chumache at illinois.edu; Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson
Cc: ukrainians at yahoogroups.com; aaus-list at ukrainianstudies.org
Subject: VG, F-D:biased

Yes, sounds like someone just threw a tantrum.  But I'm sure you wouldn't call it that.
In fact, Dr Fewdewytsch-Dickson, scholars can in fact pillory articles by anyone without lengthy counter-argument if the proposer of such articles has displayed consistent skewed/ biased patterns of thoughts, such as Mr Gorbach (Vuhdeem), and the article proposed again is shown to be a biased/ skewed piece, meant not to stimulate an objective discussion, as Mr Gorbach claims, but to simply ensure that his point of view is consistently represented, without accepting any counter--argument.  An example is Mr Gorbach's glee at telling the world that Georgia used mines first instead of trying to start an objective discussion on that topic and how the human rights of our Russian neighbors have deteriorated under the regime of Ras-Putin.
So, in fact, it is you and Vadim that are biased and skewed since anytime anyone raises an objection to the obviously russophillic tone of his emails, he, then you, jump in and accuse people of being unscholarly and biased.  In fact, it seems as if the two of you are in cahoots (perhaps you are kohutyky?) .
To the Ukrainians on this chain, do not remove yourselves from the email.  That has been the pattern of Ukrainians in the past.  Are we scholars first and then Ukrainians?  I think not since if that were the case, we would simply be members of our academic organizations rather than this one.  I propose that we are of Ukrainian heritage first then scholars second and as such we should encourage objective debate but not fall away from defending our point of view, our culture, our language and yes, in fact our native country's multi-pluralistic cultures but not at the expense of russophilic goading.
Russophilic kohutyky should be engaged in discussion, challenged and a positive outcome would be ideal. But in the face of consistent lies (yes lies, Vadim states he is not russophillic, that he is objective, but I point to his body of work of emails and see not one shred of evidence of his claims), russophillic goaders must be addressed as a topic by the governing board of this email chain.   Seeing such persistent disregard of the guidance of what should be posted by one or two kohutyky and the non-action of this board is confusing.
With all due respect,
Dr. Oleh Denysyk
Director, Analytics, Organ Transplantation/ Oncology
RLI Laboratories

-----Original Message-----
From: "Daria Fedewytsch-Dickson" [dsfd at unimelb.edu.au]
Date: 09/10/2008 10:35 PM
To: "Vadim" , chumache at illinois.edu
CC: "ukrainians" , "aaus" 
Subject: RE: [aaus-list] Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA): Russia was right,U.S. was 
wrong on Georgia

Just so. I am astounded that scholars should pillory articles proposed by Mr Gorbach.

They are serious and challenging.

They can also be countered by anyone willing to put in the critical muscle. Otherwise, merely complaining of bias without counter-argument is tantrum-throwing.

D.

-----Original Message-----
From: aaus-list-bounces at ukrainianstudies.org on behalf of Vadim
Sent: Wed 9/10/2008 4:23 PM
To: chumache at illinois.edu
Cc: ukrainians; aaus
Subject: Re: [aaus-list] Rep. Rohrabacher (R-CA): Russia was right,U.S. was wrong on Georgia

I am not pro-Russian. I am pro-ethical and an advocate for critical
thinking and balanced analysis.

V.Gorbach

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:45 PM,  <chumache at illinois.edu> wrote:
> Dear Vadim,
>
> Would you please consider stopping this kind of political activism on behalf of Mr. Putin and K?
>
> Rep. Dana Rohrabacher's comments  may be worth to read about some day in the future, but I have serious doubts that AAUS members should suffer from this sort of the internet spam.
>
> V. Chumachenko
> UIUC
>
>
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