[Aaus-community-list] Re: [ukrainians] Re: Should Yushchenko
apologize for misleading the world on Holodomor?
bpechenyak at alumni.arcadia.edu
Thu Jan 14 21:56:21 EST 2010
I agree with Ivan's comment (below) - the 4 million figure is the *most
conservative *one, taking only what can be clearly documented at present, as
far as I know. I remember hearing the figure 7 million since childhood. The
recent 10 million or above figures have been surprising and I don't really
know exactly how those estimates have been reached. I mentioned before that
I also oppose propaganda in this matter. Ultimately, though, while the
number issue is important, it is not the most central issue, from the moral
point of view.
And how, pray tell me, does this compare with Bush's Iraq war lies? Don't
even go there, Vadim, the suggestion is bordering on grotesque. Now, if
Putin were to claim that Ukraine's efforts to have Holodomor recognized
endangered Russian culture and society and then went on to "pre-emptively"
attack Ukraine, THAT would be comparable. Otherwise the analogy is
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:17 PM, imokhnal <imokhnal at yahoo.com> wrote:
> The fact that SBU has been able to confirm 4 million victims means there
> have been AT LEAST as many. It is not known whether some relevant archives
> are missing/hidden in Russia. And it is not known how many Ukrainians died
> in Kuban, for example, which was predominantly Ukrainian-populated until
> Holodomor. How has the world been "mislead"? We have yet to hear someone
> saying: "damn, only 4 million starved to death after all - why were we even
> bothered with such a trifle?"
> In addition, I very much doubt your statement that the exact number of
> victims has in any way influenced Ukraine's policymaking. If you insist on
> the contrary, you should explain what specific policy of Ukraine should have
> been altered in view of this figure. If Yushchenko has to apologize for
> anything in this regard, it is for being so ineffective in bringing the
> communist crimes to light.
> --- In ukrainians at yahoogroups.com <ukrainians%40yahoogroups.com>, Vadim
> <solar75wind at ...> wrote:
> > There is no doubt that his numbers have played a cardinal role in
> > Ukraine's policymaking, while being at least (!) 2.5 times off.
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