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Posted by Accels visitor/not a friend on May 21, 2004 at 21:44:39:
In Reply to: Re: interesting discussion posted by Bohdan A. Oryshkevich on May 14, 2004 at 18:32:57:
: Most students from our USA/USA Program never left Ukraine because they did not win scholarships. But they learned how the American system works and they got practice in working on their English.
MAJORITY OF THE UKRAINIAN EXCHANGE PROGRAMS APPLICANTS WHILE FILLING IN THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES APPLICATION FORMS DO NEED THE PROPER PAPER PROCEDURE CONSULTATIONS, WHICH NEITHER THE US EMBASSY NOR THE US BOSSY EDUCATIONAL CONTRACTORS IN THE OBLAST CENTERS DO NOT PROVIDE. ACCELS IS LOOKING OVERLOADED WITH ITS WORK, PAS/US EMBASSY IS TOO BUSY TO EXCORT OFFICIALS FROM US UNIVERSITES WHO COME TO ENTARTAIN THEMSELVES WITH THE EXOTIC EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM OF THE POST SOVIET UKRAINE.
AS TO THE APPLICATION FORMS, UKRAINIANS NEED A SERIOUS PREPARATION ON A STRUCTURE E.G. OF THE STATEMENT OF INTENT/PURPOSE AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE OFFICIAL GRADUATE TRANSCRIPT IS ACCORDING TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.
: Many came for one year or for a few months. Most of these probably returned. But some found ways to stay.
ONE YEAR OR A FEW MONTHS IS ENOUGH TIME TO LOOSE A JOB IN UKRAINE AND FORGET YOUR GIRLFRIEND. PEOPLE SHOULD COME TO EARN A DEGREE. SUCH SHORT PROGRAMS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE AND BRING THEM TO NOWHERE: YOU THROW FISH IN A CLEAN WATER AND BY THE TIME IT IS ACCUSTOMED TO A NORMAL LIFE YOUR PLACE IT BACK IN A SWAMP.
: Still others came only for grad school. Many of these may stay.
ONLY THOSE WHO AIM TO WORK IN EUROPE OR HAVE CONNECTIONS IN UKRAINE DO RETURN. GRAD SCHOOL IS A TEMPTATION TO BUILD THE FUTURE IN A NEW SYSTEM.
: Finally, some because of their frustration emigrated and then used their knowledge about American education in obtaining it.
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE AMERICAN EDUCATION IS LESS IMPORTANT. TO OBTAIN IT ONE NEEDS PERSISTANCE AND SACRIFICE. IF YOU ARE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM YOU’LL FIND THE WAY OUT, MORAL SIDE IS CRUCIAL.
IMMIGRATION IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR FRUSTRATION BUT HOPE. UKRAINIANS ARE NOT THOSE WHO WOULD IMMIGRATE BECAUSE THEY WERE ANGRY OR FRUSTRATED. THEY ARE ACCUSTOMED TO THAT. WE MOVE OUT BECAUSE OF HOPE AND ILLUSIONS.
: I believe in a liberal approach. I have studied www.ansa.no which is the Norwegian approach. I like it.
LIBERAL APPROACH FOR THE POST SOVIET STATES HAS THE TASTE OF AUTHORITARIAN DRESSING.
MASSES ARE TIRED TO BELIEVE, LEADERS PRETEND TO RULE AND AFRAID TO GIVE, “MATROSY I SOLDATY” DON’T PLAY WITH THE BOURGEOIS TOYS.
: Tracking is key. If Ukraine valued its talent it would follow its course. I have seen Swiss and Norwegian and other programs at work. They make a difference.
TRACKING IS INEFFICIENT IN UKRAINE.
PEOPLE REFUSE TO GIVE AN UPDATED INFO TO STRANGERS. EVERYBODY IS STILL UNDER THE IMPRESSION OF THE OLD KGB METHODS. IF YOU CALL TO RELATIVES OF THE USA/USA PROGRAM IN A MONTH FOR ANY INFO ABOUT YOUR ALUMNI- MOST PROBABLY YOU'LL HEAR: WHO ARE YOU?
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY US UNIVERSITIES ALUMNI WERE INVITED FOR 'TALKS’ REGARDING AIMS AND PURPOSES OF THEIR PROGRAMS TO THE LOCAL SBU OFFICES? MANY.
: I would add that a very useful approach would be to help the children of the neo-Communist/Oligarchic Nomenklatura obtain education abroad so that they would take their experiences back home. This is having an effect in China.
NEVER TEMPORARILY INFLUENCES OF AS YOU’VE SAID LIBERAL APPROACHES CAN CHANGE THE ATTITUDES AND HABBITS WHICH HAVE BEEN CULTIVATED IN A FAMILY AND IN A SYSTEM FOR YEARS. OLIGARCHIC KIDS KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY AND PLAY IN THE SHADOW ECONOMY RIGHT IN A DAY CARE. UPON RETURNING HOME THEY ORGANIZE THEIR CLANS TO CONTINUE THE SAME GAME: RULE OF LAW IS NOT A MENTALITY, IT IS A NETWORK OF INSTITUTIONS.
: I created the USA/USA Program to help Ukraine join the Euro-Atlantic Alliance, but Europe provides very few scholarships for students from abroad. Secondly, I found that many of the most "Euro-Atlantic" oriented students from Ukraine, largely from Halychyna and Kyiv were not interested in helping their fellow students go abroad to study. They were more interested in posing politically.
EUROPE HAS ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH ITS OWN SYSTEM OF EDUCATION, THE EURO-ATLANTIC ALLIANCE WITH ITS POLICAL, ECONOMIC, DEMOGRAPHIC AND NEO-ANTIAMERICANIST MISUNDERSTANDINGS MAY THROW A GLANCE RATHER ON CHINA OR RUSSIA BUT NOT UKRAINE. THEY HAVE NO TIME TO SPEND THEIR ENERGY ON UKRAINIANS WHO ARE NOT THE SERIOUS PARTNERS. WE SALUTE TO YOUR INTENTIONS TO MAKE A CHANGE. BUT MR.PRODI WAS LACONIC WITH HIS ANSWER: SYDIT' HLOPTSI I DIVCHATA NA PRYZ'BAH I LUZAYTE NASINNIA.
BABUSYA EVROPA UKRAYINS'KYM VNUKAM POKAZALA, PARDON, DULYU.
SPEAKING ABOUT KYIV AND LVIV YOUTH ATTITUDE TO THEIR PEERS IT IS A DIGNOSIS OF BIG INFLUENTIAL UKRAINIAN CITIES. KYIANY AND LVIVYANY DO NOT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER ALSO ABROAD: SHARING INFORMATION IS NOT SMTH THEY WASTE THEIR TIME FOR.
vlad.
: Bohdan Oryshkevich
: info@ukrainianscholarships.org
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